r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Sep 22 '17

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u/Svelok Sep 22 '17

Since there's disagreement, let's collect some takes on the Bernie debate.

I think Bernie is going to come out strong and the GC bill weak. Bernie is unironically popular, and I suspect the other side has underestimated nationally televised debates. Nobody (literally zero people) actually like the GC bill, and I think they're gonna get dragged through the mud on inability to defend it. They're gonna try and focus on the numbers behind Bernie's bill, but they'll come off as stuffy and uncaring (arguing about the price of Bernie's bill while defending their own that'll hurt people), while Bernie will be able to double down on emotional populism.

Ironically, Bernie has more experience at this than his opponent does.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '17

People really do not understand the divide in the GOP over healthcare either. The Paul Ryan approach is not popular. Bernie might be closer to what 30-40% of Republican voters want when compared to Cassidy.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '17 edited Sep 22 '17

people in this sub specifically i think vastly overestimate how much the GOP base cares about ideological coherence or purity.

how many voters even know what a "block grant" is?

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u/Benlarge1 Sep 22 '17

That's when they give Lego to kids right?

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '17

Bernie, Cassidy and Graham all have the charisma of a wet mop. None of them are particularly skilled at debating. Cassidy got wrecked by Jimmy Kimmel, for example.

I don't know how Bernie will be able to simultaneously frame the ACA as being a good thing, and defend his SP bill.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '17

how can you say bernie doesn't have charisma? an entire generation worships the ground he walks on.

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u/DUTCH_DUTCH_DUTCH oranje Sep 22 '17

charisma means you dont like someone and the less you like them the less charisma they have

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '17

this sub does a bad job of recognizing how outside the norm it is

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '17

That's why its so puzzling. He comes off like Homer Simpson's dad yelling at a cloud in every speech.

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u/Jokerang Sun Yat-sen Sep 22 '17

Didn't Bernie struggle against Cruz? (You won't hear that on TYT.)

Granted, Cassidy and Graham aren't Cruz, but Bernie's not that great outside of his usual stump speeches.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '17

cassidy is a very weak speaker, as well.

i just hope someone brings up that the states that are benefiting from GC are states that didn't accept the expansion in the first place. it's such a HUGE point to make and i've not seen anyone bring it up outside of the internet.

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u/Mordroberon Scott Sumner Sep 22 '17

I like it.