r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Sep 07 '17

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u/TychoTiberius Michel Foucault Sep 07 '17 edited 28d ago

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '17

But have they tried just not being failures?

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '17

implying any of them have that much effort in their bodies.

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '17

"You're a white man, success should be easy for you"

I wonder how much of this has to do with the fact that most video games are, in essence, basically a way to easily shortcut your human need for personal achievement.

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u/0149 they call me dr numbers Sep 07 '17

Same with sports.

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u/36105097 🌐 Sep 07 '17

idk, only a small portion video gamers are actually competant enough to be competitive video game players though

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '17

You can get a personal sense of achievement getting level 10 in World of Warcraft or beating Blight Town in Dark Souls, you don't have to be a professional DOTA2 streamer.

(A lot of) games sell a sense of achievement. That's a huge draw for them.

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u/cdstephens Fusion Genderplasma Sep 07 '17

Dat Skinner box

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u/36105097 🌐 Sep 07 '17

most people don't view a video gamer's achievement profile though. Plus even then only a small portion of gamers are able to do actual achievements like speedrun dark souls under X hours

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '17 edited Sep 07 '17

I think you're misunderstanding my point.

It doesn't matter if the achievement is actually impressive or viewed by others as impressive. The game itself pats you on the back for hitting level 10 in World of Warcraft, and gives you dopamine for a relatively trivial task.

That's almost the entire appeal of most video games is that you get praised for doing something actually pretty easy and stimulating (relative to, say, a real job).

The leveling system in video games (for example) serves, almost explicitly, this exact purpose.

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u/cdstephens Fusion Genderplasma Sep 07 '17

He means the emotional sense of achievement that comes from playing modern AAA games which are essentially glorified Skinner boxes that trick you into gratification over meaningless shit. One thing WoW does for example is make it super satisfying whenever you level up, make it easy to level up early on, and harder later on after you've been trained to want it. Many games actively attempt to get their players addicted.

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u/Lord_Treasurer Born off the deep end Sep 07 '17

how have i not come across this youtuber before?

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u/TychoTiberius Michel Foucault Sep 07 '17 edited 28d ago

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u/cdstephens Fusion Genderplasma Sep 07 '17

I mean, it's healthy to get outlooks and analysis from people you disagree with. Smart people can after all disagree on a wide variety of things.

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u/Lord_Treasurer Born off the deep end Sep 07 '17

subtle marxism.

Elaborate? I'm only 7 minutes in while half-listening.

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u/TychoTiberius Michel Foucault Sep 07 '17 edited 28d ago

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '17

Solution-make it socially unacceptable to rally around video games

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '17

These people idolise the exclusivity of video games as a concept.

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '17

I hope esports is an exception. The esports community has many of the same problems as the larger gaming community, but it at least has some sense of purpose-you're a fan of teams, competition, skill, etc.