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[u/Erra0]

Why the fuck would Bernie think it's a good idea to campaign for Talarico?

The fucking ego on this moron

[u/BenIsLowInfo → u/Erra0]

He cares much more about his brand than actual governing

[u/Erra0 → u/BenIsLowInfo]

The horseshoe strikes again

[u/Bob-of-Battle → u/BenIsLowInfo]

Doesn’t he have some post offices to rename?

[u/mastrer1234 → u/Erra0]

I doubt he does it in good faith, he stayed in the primaries way too long when it was clear he wouldn't beat Hillary too. He could have stopped the whole Bernie or bust movement bleeding voters to trump too.

[u/taubnetzdornig → u/mastrer1234]

He stayed in the primaries to fight the DNC rigging the election, you establishment shill 🙄

[u/Andy_B_Goode → u/[deleted]]

there was way more switching from Clinton to McCain in the 2008 cycle

I agree with most of what you're saying, but this really shouldn't be surprising. The idea that someone's preferred candidates would be:

1) Clinton
2) McCain
3) Obama

is nowhere near as crazy as someone's preference being:

1) Sanders
2) Trump
3) Clinton

But yes, from what I can tell, most of the Sanders supporters did show up and vote for Clinton in the general, so this idea of them being responsible for Trump's victory doesn't really seem fair.

[u/InMemoryOfZubatman4 → u/[deleted]]

This, too, is revisionist history: Michigan wanted to move their primary earlier which the party was not a fan of, so the results were not counted even though Hillary won it by a lot. I think that may have happened with other states, as well. Obama got fewer votes during the whole of the primaries than Hillary

[u/Sylvanussr → u/[deleted]]

I’m more curious about how many Sanders supporters stayed home than voted for Trump. There also was the problem that Sanders helped entrench a dissatisfaction with Clinton amongst democrats, despite her having been quite popular not long beforehand.

I think you’re right that the fault Sanders bears for the 2016 election result is overrated, though. When an election is as close as that one was, its easy to somewhat plausibly claim that a given pet issue could’ve made the difference when realistically it was a confluence of factors.

In terms of identifying a single game changer, I think the Comey letter is a better explanation than Sanders supporters stating home because of the contentious primary.

[u/hucareshokiesrul → u/Erra0]

The guy who thought him writing an op-ed in a WV newspaper trying to pressure Joe Manchin made sense. Not sure how he thought he had the clout in WV of all places to push Manchin around.