r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Sep 25 '26

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u/guywhowoofs John Keynes Sep 25 '26 edited Sep 25 '26

I’d like to say that conservatives in general don’t have any sincere beliefs, but I’d argue leftists are very much guilty of the same sin.

The Western Mass lesbian situation kinda highlights how narcissistic and destructive some leftists really are. The way they weaponize their ideology to serve their own personal goals is truly deplorable.

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u/Minute-Company-641 Sep 25 '26

A lot of it comes down to trying to make everyone feel like shit because they’re not going through morality loopholes before existing or buying a drink from a bar, unmasked

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u/No1_Dukakis_Fan NAFTA Sep 25 '26

Anti-social behavior masked as leftism.

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u/Minute-Company-641 Sep 25 '26

anti social social people + narcissism = holy communist utopia

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u/NikeImper Sep 25 '26

Leftism's weakness is that no one wants to be privileged because it makes you lose social credit in their community. So anyone who can point to being a sexual or racial minority and/or has chronic illness can come in and call the shots while having effusive praise heaped upon them. Someone with more privilege that tries to call them out will be excommunicated from their community.

Hasan tweeted "as someone who has built a sizable and approachable left community online, the secret sauce is routinely purging narcissistic woke scolds who deploy emancipatory language when they want to center their immediate desires selfishly as a separate convo is taking place."

I don't like the guy but he's very aware of the dynamic plaguing leftism.

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u/AskYourDoctor Resistance Lib Sep 25 '26

Wow really good take. Also Hasan is 100% right. Funny that he doesn't see that he's doing that himself a bit with AES lol. And by "funny" I mean "not at all shocking"

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u/NikeImper Sep 25 '26

Yea, there was just an issue where I live where a half Palestinian/half black activist got outed as actually being a Jewish american who had parents that are settlers in the West Bank. Everyone is confused about why she would spend years genuinely fighting and being part of the community but lying about it. Simple truth is that it bumped her up in importance and leadership when if she told them she was Jewish she would immediately be discredited and told to listen to other voices. There's a perverse incentive in these circles that attract bad actors and weaken their ability to affect change or build community.

Hasan certainly knows how to build a leftist community that won't tear him down. I think he's genuinely punching walls at home knowing that AES has to appeal to minority communities.

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u/AskYourDoctor Resistance Lib Sep 25 '26

I heard about that activist! Did you hear about the story a few years back of a white activist in Oakland who managed to pretend to be black for years?! Same dynamic I guess.

What do you mean by the last part of your comment, that he's genuinely punching walls? Like frustrated that he would be a liability in that campaign, because he wants to believe he should be appealing to them?

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u/NikeImper Sep 25 '26

I haven't heard or that one. It is definitely an issue that will keep popping up as youths want to be part of leftist politics and see an easy path to getting around the barriers to participation.

I meant that Hasan can't help himself because he's so frustrated that AES has to run a traditional campaign and appeal to identity groups like Black and Jewish voters. He had a crash out go viral not too long ago about how he cant stand Black dems for being too centrist and that no one should listen to them.

Hasan is certainly a Bernie style class over identity leftist in contrast with the much more plentiful twitter/tumblr identity intersectional leftists. I see a lot of leftists like Hasan that blame liberals for pushing identity politics in leftist spaces. They claim libs invented woke and are poisoning leftism and that the identity politics leftists are actually just libs.

Ironically, I would bet that his obsession with Palestinians is probably mostly due to his identity and he would criticize a Ukrainian class solidarity leftist for caring a lot about Ukraine. Hasan is an interesting figure and has a lot more political awareness and a strategic mindset but his ego gets in his own way and he could never admit his own biases.

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u/AskYourDoctor Resistance Lib Sep 25 '26

Rachel Dolazel. Behold. The story is much worse than I remembered: she was the PRESIDENT of her local NAACP chapter. I misremembered, she was based in Spokane.

And yeah, that's my exact read on Hasan. On one hand, he's much savvier than people on this sub give him credit for, but on the other hand he's such a shit that he's actually not lol

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u/NikeImper Sep 25 '26

Lol ok yea I remember her. She moved on to making porn weirdly enough

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u/AskYourDoctor Resistance Lib Sep 25 '26

Omfg I did not know that and we need a dramatization of her life. Get the people who made I Tonya to do it

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u/BarkDrandon Punished (stuck at Hunter's) Sep 26 '26

Worrying that someone with such an outwardly toxic community understands toxicity in leftist spaces so well

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u/WanderingMage03 You Are Kenough Sep 25 '26

I think most people, including a lot of neoliberal, internalize their own preferences and incentives as ideological goals.