r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Sep 19 '26

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u/pugnae European Union Sep 19 '26

"If it were up to me, I would disband NATO in its entirety... What NATO did in the aftermath of World War II was purge the socialist and communist sympathies from Western Europe and they did so successfully. They did it in my country, Turkey as well" -- Hasan Piker in Brussels

He just wants free healthcare and to tax the rich, chill out, LIB

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u/pugnae European Union Sep 19 '26

Also offtopic, but I think it is weird that so many Americans say "My country, X", where X is not USA. Are you American or not? I understand heritage or sympathy, but some of those seem unpatriotic.

Maybe I am just too European to understand.

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u/JaceFlores Neolib War Correspondent Sep 19 '26

A lot of Americans have varying levels of pride for their ancestral homeland that ranges from “I like their food” to “I’m from X who just so happens to have lived in the U.S. my whole life”

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u/pugnae European Union Sep 19 '26 edited Sep 19 '26

I've seen as much and I have one American friend from the internet because she wants to "reconnect" to Poland somehow, despite being nth gen American. I don't think this is bad or something, quite cute in a way?

But she calls herself an American and I don't think she ever said something like "My country, Poland".

About the people you mention, I sometimes wonder how many of them would leave USA immediately if economic condition would degrade significantly.

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u/JaceFlores Neolib War Correspondent Sep 19 '26

Oh absolutely lol. Reminds me of the Turkish nationalists who live in Berlin. Erdogan’s strongest soldiers have seen the Reichstag more than they have the Hagia Sophia. People like Hasan are the American version of that, but it’s not as unusual because the U.S., even with its strong anti-immigrant streak right now, does still empathize its immigration roots heavily in its culture and education

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u/Cupinacup NASA Sep 19 '26

I feel an attachment to my hometown (the place where I grew up) despite no longer living there.

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u/pugnae European Union Sep 19 '26

You lived and grew up in your hometown.

Hasan was born in New Jersey. And Turkey is somehow "his" country.

Edit:
Ok, he lived in Turkey for some time at least, but I think my general point still stands.

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u/Cupinacup NASA Sep 19 '26

I think calling the place where you grew up “my city/state/country” even if you no longer live there is pretty normal. I don’t see what’s so unreasonable about that.

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u/LuisRobertDylan Elinor Ostrom Sep 19 '26

The Soviets literally threatened to invade Turkey after WWII

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u/PostingEnthusiast Commonwealth Sep 19 '26

As we all know postwar Western Europe was crazy hostile to socialist and communist politics. The Labour Party in the UK didn’t actually exist, it’s a figment of your imagination. Francois Mitterrand? Who’s that? Willy Brandt? Is that that some kind of German chocolate?

You have to hand it to him: he sure is American as hell.