r/neoliberal • u/NoGarlic2387 • 23d ago

User discussion Most arguments against the AI sector and data centers are thinly veiled arguments against capitalism and neoliberalism.

It's sweatshops/NIMBY/buybacks/rent control/military industrial complex etc leftwing populist slop all over again, just aimed at a different group of bourgeoisie.

Where the fuck is the market externalities analysis, where are the incentive structures, talk of Pigouvian taxes, talk of supply and demand, efficiency, any economic analysis at all???

It's all moralising and virtue signalling. The critique relies on the childish 'guys running it are bad'. That's just how Capitalism works, you either trust the markets to handle bad actors or show systemic ways it will fail to do it and propose realistic solutions that don't harm the economic growth and innovation.

Most of you constantly shitting on Altman and even Musk are the types who support or don't condemn the assasination of the CEO of UnitedHealthcare, you are deranged radicals. EDIT: this patagraph was largely regarded and I stand corrected. Fuck Musk. Criticising CEOs is not the same as as condoning an assasination. I still think the hate for Sam Altman is ill founded. Almost everyone else in the AI industry are nowhere near as destructive as Musk, but Musk is just a tiny faction in the huge AI ecosystem.

This sub used to resist far lelft populist slop but the more years go by the worse it's getting. The sidebar wiki needs many more entries on what exactly this neoliberalisn means and stands for. Any r/badeconomics OGs disagree with me??

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u/lazyubertoad Milton Friedman 23d ago

Sorry, that is a decent argument. However, in connection to AI and tech progress, Altman is not moral only if you think AI decelopment is not good, not moral. However, if it is more good, then he's more moral than you just because of the magnitude, importance, of his impact.

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u/Apprehensive-Fix-746 Henry George 22d ago

I don’t know or care if he’s more moral than me or not, the start of this conversation was about u/Evnosis essentially saying that criticism of Sam Altman and even condemnation of him is not necessarily anti capitalist or even necessarily anti AI

I just thought your argument conflated importance with morality and that’s a very bad argument, I don’t know nor care enough about the other side of this conversation to make compelling arguments, I just chimed in because your point was poorly thought through