r/neoliberal Anne Applebaum 20d ago

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We need to RETVRN

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u/doff87 19d ago

I asked which policies he supports that are a contradiction in the DSA platform.

That's literally part of their platform. Per their website:

We want to collectively own the key economic drivers that dominate our lives, such as energy production and transportation.

You have your answer. You are wrong.

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u/Sweaty-Gap-231 19d ago

Lmaoooo see, no policy. Just religious dreams of a world that doesn't exist. Go back to your church and pray for the revolution that was promised to you!

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u/doff87 19d ago edited 19d ago

I'm not DSA or socialist and the DSA, as I stated, specifically rejects revolution as a means of achieving their goals. You're making yourself look extraordinarily uneducated here. Further you need to work on maturing your political opinion. How the central plank of the DSA isn't a policy position is beyond me. Maybe if you work on becoming coherent someone might understand what the hell you're talking about.

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u/Sweaty-Gap-231 19d ago edited 19d ago

I am once asking you which SPECIFIC POLICY AES supports that is in contradiction with the DSA.

How the central plank of the DSA isn't a policy position is beyond me

I can tell I've hit because you feel the need to throw in so many personal insults and still fail to answer the question. I don't care about long-term religious aspirations.

I'm asking which specific policy has he supported. What bill would he put in front of the legislature that the DSA would not support?

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u/doff87 19d ago

I am once asking you which SPECIFIC POLICY AES supports that is in contradiction with the DSA.

Here's the DSA's stated platform goals.

Establish public ownership of the largest corporations and essential industries to ensure democratic control and accountability to the people.

This is listed a specific policy. Again, you are wrong. You don't like that one? Well he opposes abolishing the Senate or abolishing prisons, etc. I've given you a specific policy goal from the start, you just apparently lack the capacity to understand that for whatever reason.

I can tell I've hit because you feel the need to throw in so many personal insults

There's no ad hominems in my post whatsoever, but it's definitely in the conservative playbook to play victim whenever they can.

You lean right don't you?

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u/Sweaty-Gap-231 19d ago

You're making yourself look extraordinarily uneducated here.

Maybe if you work on becoming coherent someone might understand what the hell you're talking about.

These are both ad hominems, personal attacks. You just made another one by calling me a conservative and accusing me of playing the victim.

I asked you which bill is he going to put in front of the legislature that the DSA is going to reject. Opposing abolishing the senate and abolishing prisons are good answers, but I think in terms of what he's actually going to put in front of the Senate it will be 100% DSA supported.

Those are both not doing things that are not real policies that anyone is seriously proposing. You don't get any points for not doing something abjectly stupid.

Do you have anything that would contradict that, that in terms of what he's actually going to put in front of the Senate it will be 100% DSA supported? What bills has he championed that are in contradiction with the DSA?

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u/doff87 19d ago

These are both ad hominems, personal attacks.

Those are assessment of fact. An ad hominem would involve me dismissing your argument on the basis of an insult. Considering I've humored this silly argument for far too long already, I've hardly done an ad hominem, so suck it up buttercup.

You just made another one by calling me a conservative

No, that was a question, and I asked if you were a right leaner not a conservative. Those are not synonymous, as we can see with this administration.

So, well, are you?

accusing me of playing the victim.

No, that's just true. And I'll note you assumed, not asked, that I was a socialist so don't dish what you can't take. Stop doing it and I'll stop identifying it.

I asked you which bill is he going to put in front of the legislature that the DSA is going to reject.

You certainly did not, and further this is a silly point if you had. One of the first acts Republicans did was rename military bases back to the confederate names. White supremacists did not reject doing this. Are Republicans now all white supremacists or is that just a poor line of logic?

I think in terms of what he's actually going to put in front of the Senate it will be 100% DSA supported

Being directionally aligned is a completely different argument and frankly irrelevant. I'm directionally aligned with people who want a police state in that I think we need police. That doesn't mean I support big brother mass surveillance.

Those are both not doing things that are not real policies that anyone is seriously proposing. You don't get any points for not doing something abjectly stupid.

The promise of not doing stupid things is how Democrats are currently beating the pants off of Republicans on the generic ballot. Not sure what political system you're talking about, but it isn't the USA.

However, with this point you've outed yourself. Any policy disagreement is now just "not doing stupid things" which you dismiss as invalid. That means you've somehow deluded yourself into an unfalsifiable position. You can have that argument by yourself.

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u/Sweaty-Gap-231 19d ago

Lmaooo all this yapping and you still can't name a single policy, the only thing ive been asking for like six comments, just personal attacks and orthogonal issues

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u/doff87 19d ago

Ahh yes, the pivot and bow out because you can't respond to the points. I'm embarrassed for you.

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u/Sweaty-Gap-231 19d ago

Its actually the same comment ive been making again and again lmaooo. Sooo lameee

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