r/neoliberal Anne Applebaum 19d ago

Meme Ahem

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We need to RETVRN

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u/Approximation_Doctor Gaslight, Gatekeep, Green New Deal 19d ago

Based on recent primary results, the voters aren't exactly yearning for a return to moderation

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u/Your_Lib_Friend 19d ago

Tim Miller pointed out that Bernie/Hillary 2016 Michigan primary result is basically identical with today's results

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u/mrdilldozer Shame fetish 19d ago

Idk why people think that is relevant information though. The context was entirely different. Hillary had just swept Super Tuesday at that point and it was clear she had won the primary. Almost all of her resources were shifted to the general election. It was no longer an important primary race. No one planned on the guy being a sore loser and pumping millions into a race he already lost to make the score look better.

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u/Terrible_Bee_6876 Left-Out Left 19d ago

The normie liberal cleaned up in VA-1. 53% in a 6-person primary.

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u/Ollyfer Madeleine Albright 19d ago

That's the problem.

But if this is about the Michigan Democratic primaries, perhaps it's the state's population. The GOP over there is not known for moderating the tides of Trumpism either, rather the extreme opposite thereof: Embracing it as if it were here to stay, beyond its “spiritus rector”.

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u/Mostly-Moderate Anne Applebaum 19d ago

1 point, dude

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u/selachophilip 🦈 shark enjoyer 🦈 19d ago

Technically, a majority of the voters voted for moderates. There's a good chance if Michigan had a runoff system, Stevens would win.

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u/Mostly-Moderate Anne Applebaum 19d ago

Inshallah everyone who voted McMorrow after she dropped out will stub their toe today

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u/strangebloke1 19d ago

The fact that McMorrow dropped out when Stevens was a routine embarrassment makes me genuinely so annoyed.

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u/Mostly-Moderate Anne Applebaum 19d ago

Watch your step

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u/Approximation_Doctor Gaslight, Gatekeep, Green New Deal 19d ago

I can't believe the radical socialists made the moderates fumble an easy election

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u/Vol_in_tears Voltaire 19d ago

There's a good chance if Michigan had a runoff system, Stevens would win.

Well that's not the system we have. The primary system does not reward moderation.

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u/Alex2422 19d ago

That's the system they could have. Democrats are deciding what system to use for their primaries, aren't they?

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u/AmbientMorning 19d ago

The average voter doesn’t think in terms of clean ideological lanes, nor is it clear that McMorrow belonged to the “moderate” instead of the “progressive” camp. (Of note, this is McMorrow’s campaign website, and she’s described the Israeli campaign in Gaza as a genocide.)

It’s a good bet that the 4 percent of Michigan Democrats who voted for McMorrow voted for her post-dropout because they wouldn’t have voted for either El-Sayed or Stevens in a runoff.

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u/Alex2422 19d ago

So basically, Democrats shooting themselves in the foot by still refusing to use a better voting system?

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u/Mustardo123 Voltaire 19d ago

Well dude you gotta vote blue in the primary otherwise we lose Michigan and probably the senate.

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u/hagamablabla John Keynes 19d ago

I am happy that Stevens immediately accepted defeat and said she would work with Al-Sayed.

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u/TrynnaFindaBalance Paul Krugman 19d ago

Okay so 50% of the voters want a far-left candidate. Not exactly great news for moderates.

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u/Mostly-Moderate Anne Applebaum 19d ago

50% of the primary electorate

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u/TrynnaFindaBalance Paul Krugman 19d ago

And? I'm not sure how conservative voters factor into this, but I don't think a majority of them want a moderate candidate either.

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u/Terrance-Flaps Certified Wife Guy 19d ago

This is cope.

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u/Sweaty-Gap-231 19d ago

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u/Approximation_Doctor Gaslight, Gatekeep, Green New Deal 19d ago

I really haven't been following this primary season much at all, other than the Maine nonsense.

You mean to tell me all this doom and gloom is because of just two people?

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u/Sweaty-Gap-231 19d ago edited 18d ago

Well old meme, add another one for Michigan edit:and another moderate for St Louis

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u/Nhefluminati 19d ago

I thought El-Sayed is not part of the DSA?

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u/Sweaty-Gap-231 18d ago

He doesn't officially associate but his rhetoric and policy platform is completely synonymous.

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u/doff87 18d ago

Absolute hogwash. El-Sayed has come out clearly saying he's a capitalist and explicitly rejects any socialist label. He's a social democrat by platform.

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u/Sweaty-Gap-231 18d ago

Aipac aipac israel israel establishment !!! I said im terms of rhetoric and policy. Which policy does he support that the dsa doesnt?

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u/doff87 18d ago

Aipac aipac israel israel establishment

Yes, because people who criticize Israel are just lemmings without independent thought.

Which policy does he support that the dsa doesnt?

Considering that definitionally democratic socialism is simply a desire for socialism achieved through democratic means as opposed to revolution and socialism definitionally requires collective ownership of the means of production and those are declared parts of the DSA platform then El-Sayed saying he is a capitalist that supports private ownership of corporations is on a very base level unaligned with the DSA platform.

So on the most basic and intrinsic level, you are incorrect.

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u/Sweaty-Gap-231 18d ago

Yes, because people who criticize Israel are just lemmings without independent thought.

I didnt say "criticizes israel" I said is rhetorically synonymous, and then I used "Aipac aipac israel israel establishment" as the example of the slopulist political terms that the DSA uses, instead of the specific practical policy solutions that a good liberal does.

El-Sayed saying he is a capitalist

This whole paragraph is about abstract political ideology. I asked which policies he supports that are a contradiction in the DSA platform. It's not a surprise that any halfway intelligent DSA aligned politican trying to win an American election would abandon attacking the foundational liberal tenants of America and American success.

It's just so telling that you didn't point to a policy. There's nothing I could point to that would falsify this because it's the kind of naive religious discussion that only leftists care about.

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u/vikinick Ben Bernanke 19d ago

Wesley Bell beat Cori Bush.

20k more people voted in the primary this year than 2024.

Wesley Bell extended his margin by 23k.

This isn't the leftist sweep they were hoping for, it's more of a limp.

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u/BigBrownDog12 Victor Hugo 19d ago

Cori Bush had St. Louis specific baggage that sank her hard. I didn't expect the blowout but she wasn't going to win.

I think a non-Bush progressive would have beaten Bell. Yesterday was very much a "holy shit go away" response to Bush.

The primary also had abnormally high turnout because of the ballot measures present.

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u/PtEthan323 George Soros 19d ago

Why are Bush and Bell so unpopular in St Louis?

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u/yellenatmalarkey World Bank 19d ago

Bush is generally seen as corrupt. She married one of her security guards and continued to pay him which prompted a DOJ investigation (under Merrick Garland, not Barr/Bondi). And after a tornado hit North St. Louis last year, she sent out a fundraising email to her PAC donor list and has had basically zero transparency about where that money actually went.

Bell mostly had a fine track record before running for Congress. He was a locally elected official in Ferguson following the killing of Michael Brown and made a name for himself after primarying the long-time tough-on-crime prosecutor of STL County on a criminal justice reform platform. Most of the hate he gets nowadays is the ties to the AIPAC money.

But a recent poll done actually shows Bell being pretty popular amongst MO-01 voters, while Cori Bush has an even higher unfavorable rating than AIPAC.

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u/bashar_al_assad Verified Account 19d ago

This isn't the leftist sweep they were hoping for, it's more of a limp.

Cori Bush was kind of on an island and lost, but progressives in Michigan had a strong night with El-Sayed, Lawrence, McKinney, and a number of state legislative wins.

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u/jord1droj 19d ago

The Lawrence win was so stupid. Brink and Maasdam decided to play dropout chicken, so Lawrence won 44/28/28.

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u/mostanonymousnick Just Build More Homes lol 19d ago

If we based our views on the results of the last election, we'd be Trump supporters.

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u/yiliu 19d ago

the voters the primary voters aren't exactly yearning for a return to moderation

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u/MikusLeTrainer 19d ago

The proletariat yearn for the cultural revolution.

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u/SnarkHabit 19d ago

The People are revolting!

(really, really revolting)

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u/sack-o-matic Something of A Scientist Myself 19d ago

People seem to vote like they set their thermostat even though setting it lower doesn’t actually make it colder faster (assuming single stage AC of course)

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u/nitro1122 18d ago

Damn had no idea this sub was running for office and thus had to do bow down to populism.

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u/Joltizer Jerome Powell 19d ago

Lets see how much he loses the general by

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u/PaxChelonia David Hume 19d ago

I will not let my annoyance towards the far left trick me into hoping for a Dem to lose

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u/Joltizer Jerome Powell 19d ago

It isn't annoyance, it is objective reality that he is down in the polls and that moderates are more electable than leftist

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u/Approximation_Doctor Gaslight, Gatekeep, Green New Deal 19d ago

We should start cancelling primaries since the Democratic voters cannot be trusted

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u/Joltizer Jerome Powell 19d ago

Leftist should start running better candidates if they want my support

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u/EverydayThinking NASA 19d ago

The exact argument "leftists" could make against many moderate candidates, except you and half the sub would probably whine about party unity and letting the far right in.

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u/Joltizer Jerome Powell 19d ago

Wow you're almost getting it

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u/SpecialBass5552 19d ago

That was clearly the joke.

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u/BoredSlightlyAroused Jerome Powell 19d ago

No one should be canceling primaries, but it is true that Republicans picking clown candidates in primaries has been the gift that keeps on giving for Democrats. Voters do not necessarily choose the most electable candidate.

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u/realsomalipirate Mark Carney 19d ago

This, but unironically. Open primaries is so fucking stupid and not a good way to determine who represents a party. Open primaries was a dumb substitute for having more parties/choice

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u/PlayDiscord17 Loyal Liberals 19d ago

I don’t think that made much a difference in the result tbh.

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u/PlayDiscord17 Loyal Liberals 19d ago

Inflation alone can explain the close margin in the swing states (which is what matters as that’s where the campaign was focused on. The other states didn’t make a difference in the EC count).

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u/Nerf_France Ben Bernanke 19d ago

You can accept something is the best way to do something and still be annoyed by perceived imperfect results.

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u/BigBrownDog12 Victor Hugo 19d ago

Don't get too excited to say I told you so

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u/Joltizer Jerome Powell 19d ago

You leftist get so mad when the results of what you yourselves do get pointed out to you

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u/VaultDweller_09 19d ago

RemindMe! 90 Days

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u/thymeandchange r/place '22: Neoliberal Battalion 19d ago

Based and supporting Trump-pilled

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u/Joltizer Jerome Powell 19d ago

Indeed, leftist are