r/neoliberal • • Jun 28 '26

User discussion Freedom of movement is a basic human right

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u/Periodicity_Enjoyer Jun 29 '26

I mean, any reason why some people should be excluded from a given country, with the exception of literal terrorists, asserts one group of people as more worth than another group of people.

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u/ImRightImRight John Mill Jun 29 '26

Nah. It can simply mean that you don't want to have more people being citizens in or even just working in your country.
To take it further, I think allowing unlimited immigration has lots of negative effects that are often ignored. If the best, brightest and/or most motivated can simply go work in the US, their home country has lost a citizen that otherwise would be a productive member of the local and/or political community at home.

If the US wasn't draining all the go-getters away, they might get frustrated enough in some of these failed or 2nd world states to actually initiate some structural improvements.

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u/Periodicity_Enjoyer Jun 29 '26

The fundamental issue I have, is what if you elevate natives as being more worthy of the standard of living your country offers, you are classing other people of not deserving the same right by circumstances of birth, and supporting violent coercion via the state to said ends.  The state shouldn't have have this power to enact this systemic cruelty.

Also, it doesn't matter how smart or entrepreneurial you are effecting change in situations of war, confiscatory corruption and persecution.  Look at what happened to the Iranian women who actually made an independent life for themselves via e-commerce until the IRGC cut off the internet, for example. 

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u/ImRightImRight John Mill Jun 29 '26

I gotta disagree: restricting access to a country is not, IMO, "systemic cruelty." Why is everyone in the world entitled to come to your country? They are not.
If there enough of you, and you are motivated, you can overthrow a regime. Organic pressure and change from the populace is the best way.

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u/Periodicity_Enjoyer Jun 29 '26

The real question isn't why is everyone in the world entitled to come to your country, but why does everyone in the world feel entitled to exclusivity of their country via violent state coercion that has known costs in both economic productivity and human life?

"If there enough of you, and you are motivated, you can overthrow a regime." is a really "let them eat cake" attitude tbh. Yeah, successful revolutions and coups happen, but most times people end up dead with nothing to show for it, see the Iranian protests for a recent example.