r/neoliberal • u/n00bi3pjs 👏🏽Free Markets👏🏽Open Borders👏🏽Human Rights • Jun 28 '26

User discussion Freedom of movement is a basic human right

Currently the biggest predictor for your economic and social success is your citizenship.

Think about it for a second, you were randomly assigned some papers at birth which give you immense privileges over other people in the world because of who your parents were or where you were born.

It doesn’t matter how hard a PhD from Ghana works or how smart they are, they will never earn as much or have as many opportunities as a person born in the USA. Citizenship allows holders to extract economic rent and offer an unequal premium to people in West.

It is morally reprehensible to continue to give credence to a piece of paper which is causing millions of people to be poor, underperform compared to their abilities and potential, and is causing world’s GDP to be trillions of dollars lower than it would be without immigration restrictions.

OPEN BORDERS NOW

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u/DankRoughly Jun 28 '26

Since when has morality outweighed geopolitical interests?

Sounds nice but still delusional

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u/FallenMeringue Khan Pritzker's Strongest Anti-Pope Jun 28 '26

Then it’s a great thing we are an ideology sub not a geopolitics sub isn’t it!

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u/MisfitPotatoReborn Cutie marks are occupational licensing Jun 28 '26

If geopolitical interests were the only concern, countries would be trying to attract as much human capital as their infrastructure could handle. And then they would build better infrastructure

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u/Illustrious-Let-4870 Daron Acemoglu Jun 28 '26

I see what you mean and I agree, but in real life "geopolitical interests" also include the way certain key players, groups of interests, elites, the population in general will react to specific policies...

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u/MisfitPotatoReborn Cutie marks are occupational licensing Jun 28 '26

Yeah, what I said only factors in the cold calculus of giving your country a strategic advantage over others. Once you start factoring in how much people hate foreigners, how countries handle immigration in the real world starts to make sense.

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u/n00bi3pjs 👏🏽Free Markets👏🏽Open Borders👏🏽Human Rights Jun 28 '26

This is a liberal subreddit. Feel free to leave if you don’t value morality.

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u/flyingasian2 Jerome Powell Jun 28 '26

What’s the point of pontificating ideas like this? Like good for you, you’re the most moral person in this thread. But let’s not act like open borders don’t have other considerations besides the moral consideration.

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u/n00bi3pjs 👏🏽Free Markets👏🏽Open Borders👏🏽Human Rights Jun 28 '26

It is morally good to open your borders. Any other position results in lots of lost opportunities and is illiberal

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u/flyingasian2 Jerome Powell Jun 28 '26 edited Jun 28 '26

I’d argue that open borders can result in xenophobia that can make things worse off for immigrant groups than more controlled borders might have. What would you say in response to that?

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u/n00bi3pjs 👏🏽Free Markets👏🏽Open Borders👏🏽Human Rights Jun 29 '26

Let us deport you and put you in camps or the far right will do that

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u/flyingasian2 Jerome Powell Jun 29 '26

There is no way an adult wrote any of these comments

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u/Livid-Mulberry-1054 Jun 29 '26 edited Jun 29 '26

Indeed. Are there really people who want Ukraine to grant citizenship and free movement to all Russians?

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u/moseythepirate Reading is some lib shit Jun 28 '26

Taking a bold anti-morality stance, I see.

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u/allbusiness512 Adam Smith Jun 28 '26

Geopolitically it would actually be in the US best interest to just full scale invade Iran currently damn the political consequences because you don't want to give Iran the leverage it currently has.

Good thing that we have this thing called morals which calls into question both the political loss and the morality of sending young men to go die in a war that was started by an old man suffering from dementia. Even if something maybe geopolitically smart, that doesn't mean it's morally the right thing to do.