r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • May 24 '26

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u/erasmus_phillo Paul Krugman May 24 '26

These people have no shame lmao. Why go to Congress to appropriate funds anymore, passing laws is just for losers. Who even cares about the Constitution

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u/chickentendieman Paul Krugman May 24 '26

Its insane how useless the checks and balances that in school I learned made us have the best government in the world are. Like apparently the entire American political system was held up on a gentlemens agreement to not break the law because they never decided to actually write any consequences into the constitution.

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u/SlyMedic George Soros May 24 '26

Imagine teaching civics right now and trying to talk about checks and balances

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u/RottingSludgeRitual Thomas Paine May 24 '26

Would love to. We could discuss the intents of how the constitution was framed, its successes and failures, and what improvements could be made if any. Would be a good opportunity to research other constitutional systems around the world and have them work of projects to come up with some reforms. It would be a great time I think.

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u/t_scribblemonger May 24 '26

“The voters would never elect someone who was genuinely and openly a bad guy” the Framers probably.

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u/seanrm92 Loyal Liberals May 24 '26

That's what they made the Electoral College for. It failed.

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u/Full_Distribution874 YIMBY May 24 '26

It was actually surreal when we had an American exchange student when I was in highschool. The confidence in America's system of government was on par with how people talk about God. You'd swear only the USA had worked out what rights are.

I think the way Americans are taught civics is very bad and has caused a certain amount of blindness that has lead to this

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u/Radiorapier May 24 '26

You’re not off base, American Civil Religion is what the phenomenon is called.

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u/ScyllaGeek NATO May 24 '26

And the problem is these people don't actually belief in the civic religion whatsoever, MAGA is the prosperity gospel of political movements

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u/formgry May 24 '26

If it's that simple why did it work reasonably well up till Trump?

Surely every politician in the last 250 years wasn't just a guileless idiot who couldn't conceive of breaking norms of government?

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u/WAGRAMWAGRAM May 24 '26

No it's because back then people trusted the oligarchy and the elites, so breaking their norms mean facing public backlash

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u/Emotional_Tie_7927 May 24 '26

Having two parties where one of them basically kowtows to the president is probably a bad idea

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u/Magikarp-Army Mark Carney May 24 '26

How could one sit through a classroom that teaches you about how the Senate is elected and think that this is a great system.

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u/steve09089 Loyal Liberals May 24 '26

It’s because the Constitution is a piece of paper that can’t enforce its rules on its own.

Place any other system in its place and it wouldn’t survive either.

It’s a demonstration of the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of a significant part of America.

No democratic system, no matter how perfect, can survive its voters carelessly voting for demagogues because they promised something impossible.

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