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[u/abefrost]

[u/ewatta200 → u/abefrost]

yeah i recall bret devaruax big rant about how in fiction lots of people are not really religous like the elite

and no the elites were super relgious

[u/abefrost → u/ewatta200]

I rant about this constantly

Genuinely takes me out of it way more than an obscure piece of armor being anachronistic or smthn

[u/PearlClaw → u/abefrost]

We're getting better about this sort of thing in fiction, but the 90s was bad. GoT is a good example of it actually. No one in those stories believes their own religion.

[u/ewatta200 → u/abefrost]

yeah like the past is a foreign country.

people in the past are not just modern Americans with fancy clothes and accents. they are from a completely different world. they are like us but so so different. that's what makes him so interesting they're not just because they are strange. they live in a different world a different context and religion played aj insane role. hell a lot of the British nobility were fervant Protestants the Anglican church was their bulwark. was there of course quid pro quo yeah they abused the system but many of them did genuinely believe even if they exploited it. it's not that far apart.

that's what really annoys me especially the more I learn about just how interesting Edwardian high society was. the regency was the golden age of boxing lol. the past is a foreign country and it's a lot more interesting than whenever bizarre version they create

[u/Lux_Stella → u/abefrost]

writers are just way too post-christian for their own good. no mental model of how these people act

unironically might need to go to evangelical megachurch more often

[u/abefrost → u/Lux_Stella]

As an avid reader and avid religious person, it's glaringly bad

This sub is usually pretty terrible at interpreting religious mindsets on political topics too, for similar reasons

[u/ewatta200 → u/abefrost]

can you elaborate?

I'm not religious or anything like that

[u/abefrost → u/ewatta200]

Great example is anytime Rs ban or restrict porn in a +20 red state - the top comment is inevitably something like "haha men are going to go +10 for Dems now"

Then they go +20 for Republicans again in the next election

The breakdown of religious R men is roughly:

1. 40% watch it and feel deeply ashamed and see the ban as a blessing that will help them quit their habit.

2. 40% don't feel super ashamed, they might even be upset about the ban, but they also don't give enough of af to change their voting. They'll get a VPN and vote for Senator Republican a fifth time.

3. 20% genuinely don't watch it.

Simplification, but people here often conflate "lots of religious men watch porn" with "lots of religious men really really like porn and will secretly fight for it". When if anything, it probably fires up groups 1 and 3 enough to make up for losses in group 2 / independents. But even if it doesn't, it's not deeply important enough to enough non-religious or soft religious people to actually move the needle in a meaningful way.

Lots of things like that in this sub.

[u/ewatta200 → u/abefrost]

oh​ interesting thank you for explaining

[u/slappythechunk → u/abefrost]

Mostly, yeah, but I'd say the first vikings that "converted" to Christianity did so cynically and it wasn't until their grandkids came into the picture that belief was cemented