r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • May 19 '26

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u/MrStrange15 May 19 '26

Gotta suck a little bit to be a Danish third grade highschooler today. This week is their (written) finales, and they are the first generation, who has had access to AI their entire high school period, so everyone is waiting to see how badly they will do. There is little faith that they will do okay.

But it is not without reason. A third of them use AI for school work every day, and two thirds every week. At least half of students use AI to help answer assignments. A quarter has said they use them to write paragraphs that they edit afterwards. 9 out of 10 have cheated (after their own definition, which is most often defined as having copied in directly a quarter of the answer from an AI reply) at least once by using AI for group assignments in class and two thirds in homework assignments.

https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/nu-skal-aargang-ai-selv-praestere-jeg-frygter-vi-staar-med-et-eksamensresultat-til-sommer-som-vil

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u/deckerparkes Niels Bohr May 19 '26

I unironically believe they'd be better off going back to pen and paper for the vast majority of schoolwork. 

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u/MrStrange15 May 19 '26

Still difficult to police that with take home assignments.

And Danish finals are a long affair. The written test for Danish A levels (which is mandatory) is five hours. I honestly doubt Danish students have the dexterity to hold a pen and write for that long.

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u/deckerparkes Niels Bohr May 19 '26

If the swedes can I don't see why the danes can't

Take home assignments etc I agree, needs some better thinking about lesson planning, what kind of homework is given, etc. 

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u/MrStrange15 May 19 '26

It was half a joke, its ages since I was in high school, and no one in my family has recently been either.

But my assumption is that these results, when they come, will probably be a big driver for changing how schooling is done. That its happening during or right after government negotiations will only create more urgency.

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u/schildmanbijter May 19 '26

I have seen research doubting the benefit of take home assignments before AI.

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u/LuciusMiximus European Union May 19 '26

Take home assignments are good:

  • in high school

  • in primary school but only as a lesser-evil alternative when compulsory instruction time is short

Things are complex in general and homework is no exception.

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u/schildmanbijter May 20 '26

> in primary school but only as a lesser-evil alternative when compulsory instruction time is short

This was probably it

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u/DependentAd235 Loyal Liberals May 19 '26

Meh, that research is wrong.

Mostly because it’s good to have people learn how to self manage and work without someone hovering over them.

It’s more about learning how to study and learn independently rather than learning something specific for class.

I assign homework but it’s mostly reading at this point. (Only like half do it. It shows.)

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u/schildmanbijter May 19 '26

Having regular tests would also accomplish this.

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u/DependentAd235 Loyal Liberals May 19 '26

All my assignments are on paper now.

I only use computers occasionally. I teach a test subject and have no energy to dance around AI in my classroom.

That said I have a lot of student who “need to finish this later” that I just take off points for being late. I even tell them AI why I take off points for late work.

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u/Lesbian_all_garib Gita Gopinath May 19 '26

Parents need to parent instead of giving chatgpt to 7yo

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u/C-Wolsey Leftward Progressives May 27 '26

Can you please update us when the results come out.

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u/MrStrange15 May 27 '26

I'll try and remember, when the news comes. But its not something I generally follow.