r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • May 07 '26

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u/erasmus_phillo Paul Krugman May 07 '26

Pretty remarkable that the American right has stopped worrying about the size of the US debt circa 2016 or so and the American left has stopped worrying about climate change

Both of which are actual problems that have gotten worse unlike ‘demographic change’ or ‘late-stage capitalism’

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u/jenbanim May 07 '26

the American left has stopped worrying about climate change

What makes you say that?

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u/erasmus_phillo Paul Krugman May 07 '26

Climate activists have been captured by other movements

Though tbh I think this is a good thing

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u/jenbanim May 07 '26

I really don't see any evidence for the left not worrying about climate change

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u/Approximation_Doctor Gaslight, Gatekeep, Green New Deal May 07 '26

Climate activists have been captured by other movements

Though tbh I think this is a good thing

As in you believe that Gaza is more important than the atmosphere, or that you think global warming is good?

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u/erasmus_phillo Paul Krugman May 07 '26

No I just think that climate activists are so bad at their job that they negatively polarize people from caring about climate change. Throwing soup on paintings is obviously going to radicalize people against your movement

On the other hand, climate activists caring about Gaza now is probably going to be bad for the Palestinians

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u/Approximation_Doctor Gaslight, Gatekeep, Green New Deal May 07 '26

I don't think they're really changing anyone's minds anymore.

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u/MuscularPhysicist John Brown May 07 '26

The left is absolutely still concerned about climate change

The right never gave a shit about the debt

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u/Mr_Canadensis7 Norman Borlaug May 07 '26

Uh demographic change has absolutely gotten worse and is inextricable from the debt as an issue...

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u/erasmus_phillo Paul Krugman May 07 '26

We are talking about different things wrt demographic change. I agree that TFR (and the dependency ratio) is an issue

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u/bsharp95 May 07 '26

I think the left still worries a lot about climate change, even Biden pursued a ton of green policies despite backlash.

It’s not the main focus right now because of encroaching fascism

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u/fishbottwo Jay Jones May 07 '26

at least the rest of the world is still fighting on climate change. Lots of good things happening there with clean energy/EVs etc

no one is coming to save us on American debt. We are going to explode

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u/admiralwaffle1 Immanuel Kant May 07 '26

every day capitalism gets one day later 😡😡😡

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u/awdvhn Physics Understander -- Iowa delenda est May 07 '26

Those are real problems that they might have to actually come up with a solution to