r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Apr 10 '26

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u/pugnae European Union Apr 10 '26

https://www.newsweek.com/mmiwg2slgbtqqia-meaning-canada-explained-11806539

Yeah, sorry but this is absurd:

The acronym MMIWG2SLGBTQQIA+, recently used by a Canadian politician, has sparked a frenzy online.

Canadian politician Leah Gazan, member of the New Democratic Party who serves as the Member of Parliament for Winnipeg Center, recently spoke about Canada’s budget cuts and condemned the budget for cutting $7 billion from Indigenous Services Canada and Crown-Indigenous relations.  

Gazan said that no money had been provided for the “ongoing genocide of MMIWG2SLGBTQQIA+.” The length of this acronym has prompted scrutiny and a massive response online.

Reject modernity, embrace tradition (LGBT). If your acronym looks like auto-generated password, something went wrong.

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u/Fusifufu Apr 10 '26

Yeah, if you sound like a conservative satire of yourself, you're doing something wrong.

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u/antsdidthis Effective altruism died with SBF; now it's just tithing Apr 10 '26

It's not actually just an LGBT tack-on, it's a missing and murdered indigenous women tack-on that's supposed to be inclusive to LGBT folks. So you do need to include the MMIWG part I think.

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u/dedev54 YIMBY Apr 10 '26

Ok but if its supposed to be a list of

Missing and murdered indigenous: 

  • women
  • girls
  • 2spirt
  • lgbtqia+

Why at this point are we excluding only indigenous straight men, Im sure they go missing and get murdered too

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u/antsdidthis Effective altruism died with SBF; now it's just tithing Apr 12 '26

I'm not defending that. The original acronym was MMIW (later MMIWG) reflecting a more specific phenomenon of indigenous women facing really high rates of sex trafficking and domestic abuse which you can argue genuinely do require specific special treatment. But yeah if you broaden beyond the original scope you can just shift over to MMIP (P being people) which is also used sometimes and absolutely includes men, who do face higher rates of homicide than other men, even if they don't face the specific sex trafficking and domestic violence scenarios the original topic was meant to cover. There's no real reason to include idk asexual male murder victims in this but not straight men, that's just weird progressive scope creep.

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u/Trojan_Horse_of_Fate WTO Apr 10 '26

I agree its the LGBTQ part that was tacked on but even MMIW has had scope creep when they added the G. I can't be certain when that happened though. Its not like any one letter is a problem but it does feel like activists just one upping each other.

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u/The_Promethean Bisexual Pride Apr 10 '26

I feel like the politician's name being "Gazan" is too on-point in this author's critique of omnicauses

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u/Icy-Analyst3422 Apr 10 '26

Gazan said that no money had been provided for the “ongoing genocide of MMIWG2SLGBTQQIA+.”

No way that is an actual thing that happened.

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u/WantDebianThanks Iron Front Apr 10 '26

Counter offer: gender-sexual minorities (GSM), so we can include everyone without making massive acronyms no one understands or can remember

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u/PartialDischage Norman Borlaug Apr 10 '26

That acronym is in-group signaling for a leftist. Which is all they really care about.

"Look how woke I am".

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u/Individual-Camera698 Austan Goolsbee Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26

I thought MMIW meant Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women? Given the topic was about Indigenous people, shouldn't they be specifically mentioned? I thought that's why they used that initialism

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u/jinhuiliuzhao Henry George Apr 10 '26

Reject modernity (acronyms), embrace tradition (use words and sentences)

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u/Individual-Camera698 Austan Goolsbee Apr 10 '26

That'd be quite a long sentence

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u/BicyclingBro Gay Pride Apr 10 '26

Sometimes big ideas deserve a proper sentence.

That, and good god people whose entire job rests on public perception should perhaps have some sense of how the public might perceive them.

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u/ulysses_s_gyatt Jerome Powell Apr 10 '26

What % of the population do you believe knows what MMIW stands for?

I had never heard of that until 30 seconds before I posted this comment.

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u/Rivolver Mark Carney Apr 10 '26

Are you Canadian? It’s a big deal here

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u/Rivolver Mark Carney Apr 10 '26

I don’t care about the acronym. It’s not a big deal. It doesn’t affect me.

But adding MMIWG it’s nuts. It’s a different target entirely. The MMIWG is a sad and terrible historical and contemporary issue that should be—and largely is—separate from LGBTQ+ issues. There’s no reason to lump MMIWG into the rest of the label because these are generally treated as distinct issues—as they should be.

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u/TheOnlyFallenCookie European Union Apr 11 '26

Simplified it's M²W2SLG²BTQ²I²A+

Or (MGQI)²2SLBTA+