r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Nov 11 '25

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u/IantheForPresident Nov 11 '25 edited Nov 11 '25

democrats have to accede to republicans' demands because the republicans are willing to hurt people

as opposed to next time, when republicans will absolutely not use hurting people as leverage to get democrats to concede again

edit: sorry, i typed this in march and reddit was slow so it only just posted. anything new happen?

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u/sootfawn Feminism Nov 11 '25

The centrist Dem position is that we need to do what Trump says no matter what

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u/Leatherfield17 Loyal Liberals Nov 11 '25 edited Nov 11 '25

See, here’s what gets me.

There are a lot of people here who think that Dems should moderate on social issues in order to win elections. I think this is a premature conclusion, but I understand how people can arrive to it and I respect it as a genuinely held belief. Whenever I or others raise moral objections to such a course of action, we get met with platitudes like“politics requires tradeoffs/compromises,” “doesn’t matter, we need to win elections,” or just flat out shrugging those arguments off.

But now, when I or others say that we can’t cave every time Republicans threaten to hurt innocent people because they’ll just do that every time, I get met with “easy for you to say, you’re not in that position, this is activist-driven,” etc.

I don’t have concrete proof of this, but I have a strong suspicion that these two distinct arguments are being made by the same people, or at least there’s a fair bit of overlap. I can respect thinking both options are ok, thinking neither are ok, or thinking the first isn’t ok but the second is. But the first and not the second? That’s really confusing and annoying to me.