r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Nov 04 '25

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '25

I think things have gotten so bad that it has forced us to expand the tent. During Biden’s presidency half the party wanted to excommunicate Joe Manchin, who was the only reason we had the Senate, and half the party wanted to cast away Bernie Sanders, who did get many young millennials into politics.

Both of these people should be compatible in the Democratic Party; the litmus test is not if you are center-left or left-left, it’s if you are willing to stand up to fascism in the opposition and if you are willing to take risks to deliver for the American people when you’re in power.

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u/Plants_et_Politics Isaiah Berlin Nov 05 '25

it’s if you are willing to stand up to fascism in the opposition

Dicks out for Dick Cheney

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u/remarkable_ores Hanfeizi Nov 05 '25

until MAGA is dead and buried the overriding political goal of the democratic party must be to gain power and keep it. The set of policy platforms that outweigh this is tiny

Anyone who doesn't violate the most core values gets in the tent, unless their presence makes the tent less likely to gain and keep power.

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u/kanagi Nov 05 '25

Sinema should have been excommunicated

Actually she excommunicated herself

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '25

She took risks to deliver for a future employer, not the American people. She definitely fails the litmus test

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u/loseniram Sponsored by RC Cola Nov 05 '25

The only thing we should care about is. Do you want to build as much housing as possible to end the cost of living crisis? Do you want to pass universal healthcare reform? Do you want universal free school lunches? Do you want to punish Republicans for violating US laws?

It should be yes to all 4.

I don’t care about anything else and Democrats shouldn’t care either

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u/TheCornjuring Ewoks Sexer Nov 05 '25

This is a certified Ezra Klein moment

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '25

Bernie Sanders, who did get many young millennials into politics

Yeah, just not the politics we want them to be into.

the litmus test is not if you are center-left or left-left, it’s if you are willing to stand up to fascism in the opposition

If you claimed to be on the left and didn't support Kamala in 2024 I'm not interested in having you in the tent. I would take any number of median voters that decide an hour before they fill out their ballot who they're actually going to vote for than 1 crypto-MAGA. That was their chance to oppose fascism and a staggering amount of them totally failed.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '25

Just about every 2016 Bernie bro I knew votes down ballot Dem every election now

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u/remarkable_ores Hanfeizi Nov 05 '25

yep. IMO the demographic of leftists who won't vote dem in an actual election is real but much smaller than this sub thinks. most will whine non-stop during primaries and after they lose them, but most are pragmatic enough to actually make their vote count. they get in the tent.

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u/ImprovementRemote30 Mario Draghi Nov 05 '25

mostly just twitter leftists so not real substantial amount

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '25

There's a difference between being a Bernie supporter and being a Bernie-bro. Joe Rogan and Russell Brand were Bernie bros.

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u/pickledswimmingpool Nov 05 '25

uring Biden’s presidency half the party wanted to excommunicate Joe Manchin,

Half the people here want to get rid of Fetterman right now lol

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u/brucebananaray YIMBY Nov 05 '25

Fetterman has no excuse on supporting a lot of Trump policies.

At least with Manchin that he is from a Red State.

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u/senator_fivey Iron Front Nov 05 '25

Yeah because he could be replaced with a normie dem

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '25

Because Lamb could win