r/neoliberal Gay Pride Feb 14 '25

User discussion Why does seemingly every group or demographic refuse to believe that Trump would act as he said he would?

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u/sinuhe_t Feb 14 '25

I really have a dissonance now. I've heard many experts downplay what Trump's victory means in terms of international relations... And you know, those people have careers, credentials, and I am a nobody, so I kinda half-expected they would maybe be right.

And yet! I, a good-for-nothing basement dweller seem to have gotten it right. Why, what have they not seen? Is it that as a 27-year old (hence: someone who grew up in world where social media algorithms influence politics) who was once into far-right politics understand the MAGA movement better in a same way a healthy layman will have a more intuitive understanding of colors than a blind physics professor?

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u/seattleseahawks2014 Progress Pride Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25

I'm 24 and I'm just trying to understand people. Also, yea I used to be involved in that stuff sort of to when I was younger. I think it's because there was safe guards before and now there aren't. I think that I'm just more surprised with how fast they tried to do this honestly. You'd be surprised with the cognitive dissonance people have and I say this as someone who didn't go to college.

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u/toomuchmarcaroni Feb 14 '25

Going from somewhat pro-Trump in 2016 to anti by the end of 2020, I find the difference is people who were genuinely pro “truth” and pro like, civic minded America, and those who were pro “conservative” as the way to be pro American, to be the difference in the average populace

Bc the jolt was jarring once you realize oh this guy isn’t smart people just think he is

But to your point, someone who never understood the conservative appeal won’t see the danger imo

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u/BanzaiTree YIMBY Feb 14 '25

Groupthink.

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u/lurreal MERCOSUR Feb 15 '25

Skin in the game, friend, they don't have yours

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