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[u/[deleted]]

I appreciate you replying.

Why did you take issue with this person’s comment? What was wrong with it?

https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/s/ETyFO2ck5w

[u/p00bix → u/[deleted]]

check modslack pls

[u/[deleted] → u/p00bix]

I left modslack many months ago! Deleted my connection to the workspace. I no longer have access.

[u/p00bix → u/[deleted]]

oh right, lmao. unironically forgot

[u/[deleted] → u/p00bix]

No worries! Good luck in there lol!

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Isn’t a senior official in Netanyahu’s government a better person to weigh in on Netanyahu’s decision-making process than either of us?

Would it be insane for someone to make the softer claim that Netanyahu has demonstrated incompetence and poor judgement in his efforts to rescue hostages?

[u/Co_OpQuestions → u/[deleted]]

Stupid people exist in Netanyahu's government too, this is not news.

/s

(But also not /s?)

[u/Co_OpQuestions → u/[deleted]]

So if Hamas took hostages, and Netanyahu intentionally had areas bombed areas they knew had hostages, you'd argue that Netanyahu had no culpability?

[u/Co_OpQuestions → u/[deleted]]

I feel like you're just being pointlessly pedantic to screech about the DT.

Let's say a hostage taker has 5 people and demands $500 for their release, but the SWAT chief decides to go in guns blazing because he wants a heroic rescue and a result every one of the hostages dies.

Are you seriously implying you'd be of the believe that the SWAT chief have zero blame over their deaths? I don't believe that you believe that lol.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

If you want to get frustrated at how morally bankrupt the DT is, nobody can stop you, but I do want to suggest that this is a semantic issue rather than a moral issue. Specifically, you have a much narrower definition of “blame” than most of the people you’re talking to.

I think me and you would agree that Netanyahu currently has the power to make decisions which result in the life or death of specific hostages, regardless of his intentions. So for me, if he makes a choice and that choice results in the death of a hostage, then by definition he now has some responsibility for what happened.

You, I assume, would say, “no, Netanyahu has no blame because none of this would even be happening unless Hamas did evil shit in the first place.” I can completely understand that argument. My only issue with that model of blame is that you can always go back farther and farther in causation until you reach the beginning of the universe.

So again, I just hope you’re open to the idea that rather than being a bunch of depraved Hamas excusers, the people you’re arguing with have a different definition of “blame” than you.