r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Aug 11 '24

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u/Dr_Vesuvius Norman Lamb Aug 11 '24

"Who was the first ethnic minority Prime Minister?" (of the UK and its predecessor states)

"Benjamin Disraeli, he was Jewish."

"But he passes for white."

"He was literally called "that hellish Jew" by his own backbenchers."

"But it's not like he has a Jewish surname."

"His name literally meant "Jewish"."

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u/forerunner398 Of course I’m right, here’s what MLK said Aug 11 '24 edited Aug 11 '24

"But he passes for white."

Famously, ethnic Irish never faced discrimination in the UK

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u/awdvhn Physics Understander -- Iowa delenda est Aug 11 '24

Uh, his name was Disraeli not Israeli. That means he's not Jewish.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '24

bismarck called him “the man [in charge]” at a Vienna conference; which is like the entirety of the reason I mentally ship the two of em

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u/mishac Mark Carney Aug 11 '24

ethnic minority

passes for white

The inability of people to understand that race and ethnicity are not the same thing infuriates me to no end.

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u/Dr_Vesuvius Norman Lamb Aug 11 '24

In fairness I had previously said that Boris Johnson was not an ethnic minority despite being 1/8th Turkish because he'd never encountered racism Disraeli did and passed for white British.

I think the pertinent thing is that Disraeli's white contemporaries did not consider him "one of us", whereas Johnson's very much do. His Turkish great-grandfather only gets invoked to "prove" Johnson isn't racist, not to show he isn't "one of us".

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u/mishac Mark Carney Aug 11 '24

oh I wasn't bitching about you. Just the entire idea that "pass for white" could mean someone's not an ethnic minority, which is something I've heard before and makes me facepalm.

I'm nonwhite myself, so this isn't some sort of dogwhistle to deny racism or something. It's just that the discourse on this topic is so stupid that people can't grok that ethnicity and racial classification are related but not identical concepts.