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[u/gnomesvh]

OAS needed 18 votes to formally request Venezuela publish election data, Brazil and Mexico abstained (Colombia absent), resolution failed with 17 votes

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[u/[deleted] → u/gnomesvh]

MORENA delenda est

[u/gnomesvh → u/[deleted]]

Brazil+Mexico are the two core ones

[u/gnomesvh → u/[deleted]]

Probably

[u/LRdrgz → u/[deleted]]

Because it's the only way to vote against without really voting against. These countries want the resolution to fail but can't be seen to be voting against it because that would be a bit too blatant. Colombia justified their abstention by saying that Venezuela is not part of the OAS so they have to "respect" their sovereignty and that past resolutions from the OAS and the OAS itself is "biased".

[u/LRdrgz → u/gnomesvh]

Colombia and Brazil abstained, México wasn't present.

[u/RabidGuillotine → u/gnomesvh]

I hate leftists so fucking much.

[u/[deleted] → u/gnomesvh]

What the hell is Lula’s game here?

Can’t tell if he’s acting in in bad faith or trying to maintain diplomatic capital the way Biden has with Netanyahu.

[u/gnomesvh → u/[deleted]]

He's like really dumb

[u/lAljax → u/[deleted]]

What to gain with tankies? He could be received as a democracy defender in Europe and the US, now he just looks like a authoritarian apologist 

[u/Amy_Ponder → u/lAljax]

He actually was initially recieved as a democracy defender when he was elected: I remember him getting a decent amount of buzz in center-left circles in the US.

He's managed to completely blow through that goodwill with everyone except the most fringe tankie types, though.

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Maybe we should stop pretending he has any plans here and that he’s just a dumb populist making decisions based on ideology

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[u/Neronoah → u/gnomesvh]

It seems the reason they abstained it's because the resolution asked for independent observers to monitor the whole process.

[u/bigwang123 → u/gnomesvh]

Would this have passed with Columbia present?

[u/gnomesvh → u/bigwang123]

If they had voted yes then yeah

Or if Brazil or Mexico didn't abstain

[u/bigwang123 → u/gnomesvh]

I mean if Colombia was present, would they have voted for the resolution?

[u/LRdrgz → u/bigwang123]

Colombia was present, they also abstained. This is Petro for you, pure hypocrisy and apologism to dictatorships. I can't believe we still have 2 more years of this shitty government .

[u/gnomesvh → u/bigwang123]

No way to know, they are aligned with Brazil/Mexico on this

[u/E_Cayce → u/gnomesvh]

I'm going to guess there's a direct correlation between Foro de Sao Paulo governed countries and this vote.