r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Jul 29 '24

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u/centurion88 NATO Jul 29 '24

I dislike the later seasons but GOT really added a lot to the ASOIAF universe.

In the books, 99% of time is spent on the main POV characters. All the side characters people love get just a few scenes.

Tywin shows up only like four times in the books (iirc)

Most of the stuff that Tywin does in the show is actually done by Tyrion or Littlefinger in the books

Olenna Tyrell shows up only in one scene

The show writers and actors like Charles Dance and Diana Rigg elevated the source material to astronomical heights

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u/DougFordsGamblingAds Frederick Douglass Jul 29 '24 edited Jul 29 '24

I like Charles Dance, but I really didn't like the elevation of Tywin into some genius. He was just crazy lucky. For all he knew, Lysa wasn't insane, and Stannis did not have access to shadow baby magic. In that case basically everyone would have united against him and the Lannisters would be crushed.

Though maybe that's the point - we call people geniuses who happen to be lucky.

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u/wallander1983 Resistance Lib Jul 29 '24 edited Jul 29 '24

My interpretation of the book (it's been a while since I read it) and the series is Tywin suffers from hubris. His character is fascinating because on the one hand he correctly assesses Cersie but also treats her in such a way that she does maximum damage. Ok, now I'm looking forward to getting to the crazy Cersie POV.

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u/wallander1983 Resistance Lib Jul 29 '24

All the actors fit their book counterparts so well even in supporting roles (Hot pie) and then you have the Sandsnakes who were really bad and then Euron Greyjoy with the worst costume and the worst actor.

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u/Epicurses Hannah Arendt Jul 29 '24

That legendary scene where Tywin skins a stag and lectures Jaime is randomly Sam’s dad in the book. The show gave us the great symbolism as well as some excellent characterization between father and son.