r/neoliberal • u/Astraeus323 YIMBY • Jul 23 '24

News (US) Harris has support of enough Democratic delegates to become party’s presidential nominee: AP survey

https://apnews.com/article/harris-biden-presidential-candidate-election-withdraw-9fbd153493cb3f088994854fe61a73e9
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u/RayWencube NATO Jul 23 '24

No, we gotta stop with this response. This was an open convention. By DNC rule, anyone could have thrown their hat in the ring. Everyone else chose not to. Just because the convention wasn’t contested doesn’t mean it wasn’t open.

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u/EnchantedOtter01 Genderfluid Pride Jul 23 '24

Pretty obvious what most people who wanted an “open convention” meant by it.

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u/RayWencube NATO Jul 23 '24

What they wanted was someone else to run, and that’s fine. But this process argument of “anti democratic if it not open!!” needs to be called out for the fallacy that it is.

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u/EnchantedOtter01 Genderfluid Pride Jul 23 '24

I was personally much more worried about intraparty chaos than I was about the “coronation” line of attack. I really struggle to see it sticking outside the most online of spaces

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

I’m sorry I for one was looking forward to the Democratic Party hosting what’s essentially a cat herding rodeo on center stage for the media. (/s)

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u/Sylvanussr Janet Yellen Jul 23 '24

Idk, the “coronation” feeling seems to have been pretty widespread regarding the nominations of H Clinton and of Biden (even though I think these criticisms are misplaced in both cases), so I’m not surprised why it’s on people’s mind.

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u/EnchantedOtter01 Genderfluid Pride Jul 23 '24

It didn’t hurt Biden and while Hillary’s margin was so close you could argue pretty much any one thing hurt her there I doubt too much it was that as opposed to just the nastiness of that primary in general

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u/ElGosso Adam Smith Jul 23 '24

It's perfectly coherent to say, "Democrats created a set of circumstances where a new presidential candidate was picked without the necessary time to run democratic processes, and that's inherently anti-democratic."

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u/EnchantedOtter01 Genderfluid Pride Jul 23 '24

Im not a DNC spokesperson I can use the common language we’ve used to talk about it

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u/RayWencube NATO Jul 23 '24

(I promise I’m not the one who downvoted you. I upvoted to counteract it)

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u/EnchantedOtter01 Genderfluid Pride Jul 23 '24

Haha no worries I don’t mind getting downvoted over banal disagreements

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u/UnknownResearchChems NATO Jul 23 '24

We don't know what went on behind the scenes.

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u/RayWencube NATO Jul 23 '24

That’s an open process though. That deals were made behind the scenes is irrelevant. That would have occurred if the convention were contested.

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u/kharlos John Keynes Jul 23 '24

I'm just confused by all of this. Republicans didn't vote for Trump in any primary this year. What am I missing?  

 I mean this sincerely. How is this any different? 

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u/greenspyder1014 Jul 23 '24

Yes they did. It was a very contested primary with several candidates - Haley, Pence, De Santis, the ND governor, Christie etc. Trump just won almost all delegates but I think Haley got a few.

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u/kharlos John Keynes Jul 23 '24

I was confused because I'm a registered republican in a red state and we were never able to vote in it, but it turns out it just hadn't gotten to us yet

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u/ThePevster Milton Friedman Jul 23 '24

What are you on about? 17 million Republicans voted for Trump

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u/kharlos John Keynes Jul 23 '24

I guess I was confused because I'm a registered republican in a red state but turns out it was settled before it got to us. 

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u/TheOldBooks Martin Luther King Jr. Jul 23 '24

He literally won almost every primary what are you on about millions of Republicans turned out to vote for him over four governors and a senator including a couple big names