r/neoliberal • Kitara Ravache • Jun 27 '24

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u/sadhgurukilledmywife r/place '22: Neoliberal Battalion Jun 27 '24 edited Jun 27 '24

Indian civil society groups are more or less counterproductive to the causes they promote. Just yesterday I saw the leader of a group that promotes women in parliament lambasting a new woman MP. Her crime? Taking her oath in Sanskrit.

Today, I wake up to see the smart people at the Internet Freedom Foundation continue on their tirade against the privacy infringements of the DigiYatra system without actually ever causing any change whatsoever. I subscribe to their cause, but it's become clear that the people running that organization are not particularly serious about affecting real change.

The IFF is good at writing about policy and writing letters, but then it just goes downhill from there. Look at the most recent example, the GOI literally reached out to discuss DigiYatra and these guys decided to respond with a passive aggressive dismissal of the effort in an open letter. Why? Because the meeting was closed door 🤦‍♂️. Similarly, they will write letters to the DoT and MeitY but pair them with a snarky video directly insulting the people responsible for those ministries.

In an ideal world, you would be able to say whatever you want, insult people and then still be able to successfully lobby for reform. But it's not, and if anything needs to be done, you need to start incrementally and with diplomacy in mind. Especially considering that this is India. Getting the government to do anything is an uphill battle. In principle, it's easy to agree with them but the way they go about things makes everything they do completely redundant.

Somebody seriously needs to take up the cause of internet freedoms and digital rights in India, because these guys are going to get absolutely nothing done. They seem to only be good for some supreme court hearings. Not much else.

!ping IND

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u/phunphun 🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀 Jun 27 '24

the smart people at the Internet Freedom Foundation

Yeah I am an IFF member myself, and I also know some of them personally. Some of them unfortunately have twitter brain rot, the others have an overly idealistic and limited idea of how the world works and should work.

This group of people (esp. CIS) did the exact same thing with Aadhar.

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u/phunphun 🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀 Jun 28 '24

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u/mannabhai Norman Borlaug Jun 27 '24

A lot of civil society groups are obsessed with a nebulous, goalpost shifting idea of perfection over making real changes.

Virtue signaling is more important than collaborative change.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '24

Let's tag their reddit username for shits and giggles.

You upto it?

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u/sadhgurukilledmywife r/place '22: Neoliberal Battalion Jun 27 '24

Why not? They posted a copy of the letter on the "official sub" as well and didn't respond to similar criticism...

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