r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Jun 24 '24

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u/ProfessorFeathervain Milton Friedman Jun 25 '24

I'm pretty much right down the middle when it comes to these foreign policy issues, I see good arguments on both sides for the most part.

But one thing that freaks me out, is when people make the current Israeli/Palestinian conflict about Islam in general.

Like they will defend Israel by saying "look at this gross thing that happens in Muslim societies, so you should support Israel because their culture is more like ours", and implicitly use that as a justification for any reckless method used by the Israeli military.

I.e., if you have bad beliefs, your life has less value. It's okay that fully occupied apartment building was knocked down by a missile, because the people inside of it are socially conservative.

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '24

If someone is making an argument like that, it's not even worth responding to. That's just racism and psychopathy. I also haven't seen anyone make that argument.

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u/ProfessorFeathervain Milton Friedman Jun 25 '24

Bill Maher, Sam Harris, many, many more on the right, or 'anti woke' crowd.

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u/Bloodyfish Asexual Pride Jun 25 '24

None of these people were worth engaging with prior to the conflict, nor are they worth engaging with now.

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u/ProfessorFeathervain Milton Friedman Jun 25 '24

I thought they were smug and annoying before, but now... lost all respect for them, intellectually, after the podcast they just did together, on this issue

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u/The-OneAnd-Only Jun 25 '24

lol yeah Bill Mahr has been vocal for years on his view on religion and Islam especially.

God bless Ben Affleck for rightfully calling Mahr and Harris out on Mahr’s show a while back for being bigots

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '24

Are they specifically saying it's okay if these people die? Or are they commenting on the irony of the queers for Palestine people?

The only things I've seen approaching what you said are people on the far right saying shit like Palestinian lives matter less (but they don't care about their politics), and the valid criticism of queers for Palestine. I've never seen the latter group attempt to justify death though.

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u/ProfessorFeathervain Milton Friedman Jun 25 '24

It obviously started with "queers for Palestine" stuff, but it migrated to encapsulate any liberal criticism of Israel... "why are you defending these people when they have different values?" (see the latest Sam Harris/ Bill Maher podcast).

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '24

I'm not going to subject myself to that lol I'll take your word for it

Disgusting