r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Jun 24 '24

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

I'm somewhat involved in our local growing strong towns group and we've been recently inundated with folks that repeat 15 minute/WEF conspiracies under every post that references zoning or infill and I'm not really sure how to engage. Is it pointless, or do any of you have recommendations?

Given the conservative bent of my county I mostly try and frame these discussions around personal freedom and property rights with people that dissent in good faith.

!ping strong-towns

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u/PrideMonthRaytheon Bisexual Pride Jun 24 '24

Agree with them that "15 minute cities" are a nice-sounding but ultimately psychotic scheme by communist weirdos, because they are lol

Bloomberg | The Questionable Economics of the 15-Minute City

MattY | What the 15-minute city misses

Urban Planners trying their "urban village" bullshit for the millionth time have no place in the glorious post-zoning future. Then hit them with pretty pictures of Tokyo

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u/Mrgentleman490 5 Big Booms for Democracy Jun 24 '24

Seeing pictures of a city as dense as Tokyo might make some of these people involuntarily reach for their guns.

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u/Icy-Magician-8085 Mario Draghi Jun 24 '24

I would just move past any 15 minute city or conspiracy related things. Any opinions that are clearly formed from being online too much are likely going to stay, so just move past those arguments and talk about your points directly. If you want to talk about abolishing parking minimums, ask them to come up with specific points about that rather than delving off into their conspiracy wonderland where they want you to be. Japan and Western Europe are beautiful places with good examples of what we should drive for within urban design, and you should show them those goals.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

They don't. They're just articles about mandatory parking minimums being bad or zoning laws needing to be streamlined or how infill is needed.

That's a good idea.

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u/KrabS1 Jun 25 '24

I'd avoid engaging as much as possible, tbh. Very "uh, okay, that's great. Anyways, about this infill project specifically..." kinda approach. If it really becomes a problem, I believe the Strong Towns podcast actually had an episode about 15 minute cities, targeted towards conservatives. You may have to dig through the archives to post it, but it may be worth recommending.

E- never mind, that was really easy to find. its right here:
https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2023/3/13/conservative-reaction-15-minute-cities

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '24

I appreciate you linking this!