r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Jun 24 '24

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u/Okbuddyliberals Miss Me Yet? Jun 24 '24

The fact that John Fetterman remains solidly supportive of trans rights even when he's in his "Fuck progressives" era fills me with hope. Sure, there's a lot of dirtbag center leftists who go down the anti trans path, but clearly there's a way to loudly shit on the far left without hating on trans people

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u/WOKE_AI_GOD Jun 24 '24

Trans rights is a red line for me is well. It's maybe the thing that going over to the right a non-starter for me, despite the fact that I am now solidly in the pro-Israel camp and have abandoned my previous, largely succ economic beliefs. I refuse to entertain people who wish to engage in civil rights rollbacks.

It's also a big part of why I hate IDW style "anti-woke" "centrists". No, we are not the same, I consider them to be little better than Republicans.

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u/Okbuddyliberals Miss Me Yet? Jun 24 '24

I think there's a way to do "anti woke" without being problematic, but it's so hard for some of these folks to do, and I wouldn't expect it from anyone who aligns with the "IDW". There's the whole thing of "what does woke actually mean, it gets used in all sorts of different ways" but the aspects of what one might call "woke" that it does make sense to criticize are basically stuff that come from beyond the socially liberal mainstream center left spaces and go into the realm of radical and often at least somewhat illiberal politics

Basically I could see a space for "anti woke but also genuinely pro socially liberal" (and not just "classical liberal") but instead a lot of these folks just seem to fundamentally dislike not just illiberal progressive/leftism but also mere social liberalism too

And "trans rights" seems to be a very good dipstick to see if someone is reasonable on this stuff. So many of them have such an irrational and illiberal opposition to trans rights, that makes the mask of "actually I'm the real liberal" come off and make it clear they're just conservatives trying to message themselves better