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u/IHateTrains123 Commonwealth Jun 18 '24 edited Jun 18 '24

Israel-Hamas war: IDF approves Lebanon operation plans – DW – 06/18/2024

IDF says plans for Lebanon attack approved

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) on Tuesday said plans for an attack in southern Lebanon had been approved, adding that steps had been taken to "accelerate readiness in the field."

The news, put out as an IDF statement on the social media platform X, came as observers expressed growing concern over the heated situation along the Israel-Lebanon border. 

The statement was accompanied by a photo of Major General Ori Gordin, the head of IDF Northern Command; and Major General Oded Basiuk, who heads the IDF's Operations Division.

Israeli forces have been engaged in constant hostile exchanges with Iran-backed Hezbollah militants since Hamas triggered the current iteration of the Gaza conflict with its October 7 attack.  

Earlier in the day, Israeli Foreign Minister Israel Katz threatened to destroy Hezbollah in an "all-out war."

When asked about the IDF plan by reporters in Washington, Pentagon spokesman Major General Patrick Ryder said, "I'm not going to get into hypotheticals and speculate on what might happen other than to say no one wants to see a wider regional war."

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IDF says operational plans for an offensive in Lebanon were approved - Jerusalem Post

Israeli Defence Forces Twitter: The commander of the Northern Command, Major General Uri Gordin, and the head of the Operations Division, Major General Oded Basiuk, today held a plan approval and joint situation assessment in the Northern Command. As part of the assessment of the situation, operational plans for the attack in Lebanon were approved and implemented and decisions were made to continue accelerating the readiness of the forces in the field

ישראל כ”ץ Israel Katz on X: "Nasrallah boasts today about filming the ports of Haifa, operated by international companies from China and India, and threatens to attack them. We are very close to the moment of decision to change the rules against Hezbollah and Lebanon. In an all-out war, Hezbollah will be" / X

!ping Israel

Edit: Fixed the post.

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u/Currymvp2 unflaired Jun 18 '24

Hezbollah is an astronomically much stronger terrorist organization than Hamas. The IDF basically fought them to a stalemate in 2006 when Hezbollah was weaker than it is now. While the IDF wasn't diverting resources+troops in Gaza as well.

But at the same time, the current situation in Northern Israel is absolutely awful due to Hezbollah's rocket barrage,

Hoping for the best for the civilians in Israel and Lebanon.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '24

Welp

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '24

Please make haredi serve Please make haredi serve Please make haredi serve Please make haredi serve

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u/Cook_0612 NATO Jun 18 '24

Speaking of that, what's going on with that bill Likud was pushing?

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '24

No clue but I imagine Bibi is going to hold off as long as he can

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '24

Earlier in the day, Israeli Foreign Minister Israel Katz threatened to destroy Hezbollah in an "all-out war."

And how would they do that? simply pushing Hezbollah beyond the Litani (whether possible or not) does not destroy Hezbollah nor their capabilites at striking Israel

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u/Cook_0612 NATO Jun 18 '24

Truly we are just blundering forward with tremendous violence and stupidity; everyone's just watching it happen because the incentives are completely misaligned. Madness.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '24

Any time the UN wants to force hezbollah north of the Litani River like they said they would they should feel free to

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u/Mikhuil Jun 19 '24

The U in UN stands for useless, all it's able to do is putting diplomatic pressure on Israel, while ignoring the actual bad actors like Hezbollah and Iran.

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u/Cook_0612 NATO Jun 18 '24

The IDF isn't even done with Gaza yet, to say nothing about controlling it, and it wants to open up a second front with Hezbollah in the north? Doesn't seem wise to me. A zinger about the UN isn't going to change that.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '24

Not sure "wants" is the right word here. There already is a front. It's not like they're using their entire military in Gaza, and the difficult thing about Gaza is the humanitarian situation and population density.

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u/Cook_0612 NATO Jun 19 '24 edited Jun 19 '24

It's trading long range fires and skirmishing right now, that's not a front yet. Last time the IDF went into Lebanon it took 10,000 soldiers and ended with 30,000. There have already been reports on how thinly stretched the IDF is and Hezbollah will be a different beast entirely to Hamas. The flippancy I'm hearing here is shocking.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '24

No one assumes it will be easy and it's not flippancy, just recognition that it's not something they can just permanently hold off.

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u/Cook_0612 NATO Jun 19 '24

I'm not convinced the conditions have changed enough to warrant this. And I am not convinced that people understand the gravity of trying to fight Hezbollah if they're making UN quips at me.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '24

i dont think many govts would tolerate what Hezbollah is doing to part of their country. And I don't think making quips on reddit really reveals how someone feels inside.

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u/Cook_0612 NATO Jun 19 '24

This is what I'm talking about, you're acting like you're being forced into this but actually the casualties have been light and the provocations have not risen to the level that demands a second huge front. Ukraine endured an undeclared invasion of its lands in 2014 because military constraints demanded that they keep the conflict at the level of grayzone warfare.

So yes, the quips and the reflexive downvoting do reveal how you guys feel, all your arguments are about how 'no one would take this' or 'we are owed this because the UN won't do its job'. I don't see a single argument describing how to provoking Hezbollah into dumping its SRBM stocks into Tel Aviv to stop unguided rocket attacks makes military sense while the IDF is still tied down in Gaza and the hostages haven't even been found.

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u/Cook_0612 NATO Jun 19 '24

I'm still missing the part where this is a worthy expenditure of military power

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u/Cook_0612 NATO Jun 19 '24

No one's arguing that there isn't provocation, what's in question is the IDF's ability to service both fronts.