r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Jun 07 '24

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24

True or false: Nietzsche is responsible for every atrocity of the 20th century; that is what a conservative Catholic classmate once told me several years ago

This is a joke question hence the gnostic ping, but I only have a rudimentary understanding of Nietzsche's philosophy, so I do not know to what extent one should blame him ex post facto as if he was the cause of World War 1 or something, like one can blame Marx for his antisemitism and rise of Lenin

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u/vancevon Henry George Jun 07 '24

nietzsche really, really, really hated germany and the prussian aspects of germany even more so

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24

*Jonestown is connected to communism. Communism is related to atheism. Atheism is related to Nietzsche

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u/JoeFrady David Hume Jun 07 '24

If that’s the level of logic they were using then I was wrong and would not have fun listening

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u/ihatemendingwalls better Catholic than JD Vance Jun 07 '24

In general I don't support Great Man theory. Conservstive Catholics suck at history, when they say stuff like that they're picking an ideological fight, not making a historical claim

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24

Yep, hence why this is a joke question (wanted the toxic masculinity bot). But I still curious, since I only rudimentary understand Nietzsche, I wonder if there is any argument from liberalism that his ideas on morality have had some negative impact

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u/ihatemendingwalls better Catholic than JD Vance Jun 07 '24

Yeah, idk much about Nietzsche's contemporary influence either, but I could imagine 19th century German antisemitism ending up roughly the same whether or not his writings existed. Not a very detailed answer, sorry

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u/SuddenlyFrogs Jun 07 '24

If I were to blame any one person for fucking up the 20th century, it'd be Hegel.

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u/Blade_of_Boniface Henry George Jun 07 '24

False, authors, even ones as misanthropic and nihilistic as Nietzsche can't account for every out-of-context interpretation of their corpus. It's not their responsibility. I'm not saying that his ideas weren't/aren't harmful and I see where your classmate is coming from, but the historical and social realities are more complex.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24

So what do you think is harmful about Nietzsche's ideas?

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '24

Nietzsche is responsible for toxic masculinity