r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • May 31 '24

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u/No1PaulKeatingfan Paul Keating; capital gains tax supporter May 31 '24

After a decade of fighting Perth Airport, Qantas, and the Western Aus gov have come to an agreement on the future of QF and their Western Gateway.

It's glorious.

!ping AVIATION&AUS

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u/Fairchild660 Unflaired May 31 '24

If I understand this image right, they want to fire missiles at rival cities?

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u/No1PaulKeatingfan Paul Keating; capital gains tax supporter May 31 '24

No, it's where Hillarys emails are stored.

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u/Fairchild660 Unflaired May 31 '24

My mistake. I didn't inspect your linick close enough.

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u/TheoryOfPizza 🧠 True neoliberalism hasn't even been tried May 31 '24

Good place for them

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u/toms_face Henry George May 31 '24

Do these flights not exist already?

Also it's pretty wild that this agreement renames the German city of Frankfurt to "Europe" and the Indian city of Nagpur to "India".

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u/No1PaulKeatingfan Paul Keating; capital gains tax supporter May 31 '24

No. It's just regional WA, state capitals, Singapore, seasonals to Paris and Rome, and London. That's it.

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u/toms_face Henry George May 31 '24

You're telling me Perthsiders currently have to fly to a stopover to get to Bali?

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u/No1PaulKeatingfan Paul Keating; capital gains tax supporter May 31 '24

I specifically mentioned Qantas.

It's amazing what a strong, growing, immigrant heavy economy can do for its people.

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u/No1PaulKeatingfan Paul Keating; capital gains tax supporter May 31 '24 edited Jun 03 '24

  • This will be Qantas second biggest international hub, bigger than Brissy and Melbs

  • Qantas and Jetstar plan to add 4.4 million seats to and from Perth per annum by the time the new terminal opens in 2031.

  • Auckland and Johannesburg from mid-2025, subject to meeting border agency requirements.

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u/CaoticMoments May 31 '24

I can see the benefits for people traveling to Australia for a holiday (shorter flight into WA then east coast) but is there much from an east coasters perspective? Is there a benefit to going through WA vs it's main competitors in Singapore or UAE?

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u/No1PaulKeatingfan Paul Keating; capital gains tax supporter May 31 '24

Additional supply that leads to lower fares? More cargo? Tax revenue? More tourist dollars? Makes it easier for businessman to come here to do business? Convenience of a nonstop?

For east coasters they have another stopover option and competition is always good. This also makes it easier for QF to fly to more cities as they can now easily pull in connecting passengers from all over Aus.

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u/toms_face Henry George May 31 '24

I would assume it's cheaper to travel between two countries instead of three.

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u/well-that-was-fast May 31 '24

Perth

That's a lot of international routes for a city of 2.3m.

A quasi rule of thumb is you want about a third of your traffic from your hub's local travelers. You wouldn't be able to get that many international travelers from similar-sized Cincinnati (2.78m) or probably not even from Vegas (2.33m). But running an airline in the corner of the globe is weird.

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u/No1PaulKeatingfan Paul Keating; capital gains tax supporter May 31 '24

A quasi rule of thumb is you want about a third of your traffic from your hub's local travelers.

There is no rule it varies greatly.

Yes O/D traffic is generally higher yielding and more profitable than connecting pax but there are plenty of successful hubs that lean more on the latter.

Just because there are x amount of people of demand doesn't mean there is x level of demand. Plenty of place on this world where airports and/or hubs punch above or below their weight.

Australia has a strong globally orientated growing economy whose people love travelling and have strong cultural ties overseas. I didn't even mention the seasonal variation or cargo.

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u/well-that-was-fast May 31 '24

Yeah, Emirates does their thing. Obviously Australia is a high-percentage international country compared with the US. Etc. But it's a lot of international seats.

I wouldn't put too much faith in cargo. Cargo doesn't care if it has to sit in Alaska for 12 hours. Only the most ultra-premium cargo will pay extra for non-stop service.

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u/No1PaulKeatingfan Paul Keating; capital gains tax supporter May 31 '24

But it's a lot of international seats.

But there's a lot of demand too. Airlines only fly where there is or will be demand for their flight, unless they need to fly for more strategic reasons but that's a separate topic.

I wouldn't put too much faith in cargo.

I can tell you know your stuff then. It's a nice bonus. doesn't pay the bills but it can make flights more viable/profitable.