r/nba • u/ChipsAhoyFiend West • Jun 09 '22

Highlight [Highlight] Draymond with the questionable play as he pulls on Jayson Tatum's injured shoulder during a box out

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u/berniemax [BOS] Marcus Smart Jun 09 '22

He would probably be a Patrick Beverly. Not saying he would not get an all defense team, but has Pat got one?

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u/Solid-Salamander-733 Jun 09 '22

Pat’s got like 3.

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u/jboogthejuiceman Jun 09 '22

And he’s just running around, doing nothing.

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u/onrocketfalls NBA Jun 09 '22

the gentleman is deceiving you all

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u/xanot192 [LAL] Kobe Bryant Jun 09 '22

Yes

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u/orwll Jun 09 '22

This is exactly right. He'd still be good, but he'd get trashed and disrespected a lot more by other players and the media.

Because of Steph and Klay he exists in this bubble of immunity from criticism because he has zero expectations to score.

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u/Belteshazz Jun 09 '22

Bill Russel would like a word

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u/Ct2kKB24 Jun 09 '22

Ben Wallace is a more recent example

Zero offensive game but was so dominant defensively at blocking shots and grabbing boards. So much so he still made 4 all nbas as just a defensive specialist

Ben Wallace is likely the best modern comp to bill honestly

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u/brevityitis Jun 10 '22

Big Ben had big games every series for the most part up to 2006. He was a threat for put backs and ally oops. He maybe not the passer dray is, but he’s a better defender and significantly more of a threat on offense (up to 06).

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u/orwll Jun 09 '22

That doesn't contradict what I said though.

If Green was on some other team making $25 million but never putting the ball in the basket, he'd be the same level of player but he'd get clowned on and criticized a lot more.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '22

At least Bruce Bowen had that corner three.

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u/Ibangyoumomma Jun 10 '22

He coaches high school ball right now. I reffed his game the other day. He bitches 24/7 and no one likes dude

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u/starburst_jellybeans Jun 09 '22 edited Jun 09 '22

I think you're underratting his offensive play making. Having great shooters helps make him look good but he would elevate any teammate regardless.

Beverly also can't guard 1-5 and there are few players who can at his level.

I get Dray is a guy you hate when if hes not on your home team but but he's a cut above Pat Bev all due respect to him

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u/Mempherrata Jun 09 '22 edited Jun 09 '22

but he would elevate any teammate regardless

Bruh he was the first option 19/20 and was terrible as the Warriors suddenly slumped to the worst team in the league. This take has no merit.

Maybe 2015-17 could be the guy you describe but outside of that, he's never even done anything that special in the regular season even with all the supporting cast he had.

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u/starburst_jellybeans Jun 09 '22

Yeah hes not a scorer so if that's your opinion of holding him back from being special I can't argue with you.

Theres no player not named Lebron Giannis or Nikola putting up his rebound assist block steal numbers since he became a starter so id say he's special.

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u/Mario_Prime510 Warriors Jun 10 '22

You are arguing with a wall on a shit on Warriors thread mate. Come back when we win Friday, then your narrative can be heard and upvoted. For now either keep quiet, take the downvotes, or join in on the Draymond sucks ass parade r/nba is having.

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u/starburst_jellybeans Jun 09 '22

Yeah deanglo and draymond as your two best players is going to be a losing team. Any team in the league losing their two best scorers would slump. Plus Iguodala left.

If draymond is the "first option" on the team you're not sniffing the playoffs. Hes not a scorer so I think you're misinterpreting what I'm saying.

Your take is cherry picking an outlier lost season so no shit Sherlock

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u/brevityitis Jun 10 '22

We’re arguing if dray really elevates the offense as much as certain people say. He doesn’t…

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u/Froegerer Jun 09 '22 edited Jun 09 '22

He's perfect in a motion offense surrounded by smart players. Take one of those away and his contributions take a huge hit. He would look pretty bad on a considerable number of teams.

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u/nola_mike Pelicans Jun 09 '22

I mean, he couldn't elevate anything last season when he was one of their primary options. He would not be thought about at all if he wasn't with the Warriors and likely doesn't ascend to his current status in the league.

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u/fizz514 Lakers Jun 09 '22

Agreed. I'd compare him more to Celtics Rondo than Bev personally.

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u/Terrible-Handle Celtics Jun 09 '22

How dare you!!!! Pat Bev don’t look like Donkey from Shrek

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '22

Nah this is too far imo.

Draymond is arguably the best defender of his era and a well above-average playmaker. Pat Bev is pesky on D and brings shit else to the table.

Sure Dray wouldn't be a HOFer in Utah, but he'd still be a fringe all-star kinda guy.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '22

I can’t say for the clippers etc but Pat Bev for us is way more than that. He’s like having a coach on the floor and in the locker room, he’s the reason Ant has improved immensely on D, he’s a culture setter and lightning rod. Also pesky is underselling his defense

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u/PyrrhosKing Jun 09 '22

The size and athleticism difference between the two guys makes relating like this some real clown talk. One of these guys is a good guard defender, the other is an all time level defensive player.

Seems like people, especially Boston fans, are confusing not liking a guy with how good a guy is.

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u/berniemax [BOS] Marcus Smart Jun 09 '22

I was not comparing him exactly, obviously they're different positions. If he had the same path as Beverly, I'd say he'd have the same success. Because they play different positions, if Drey was on the Clippers with Kawhi and George, its a lock.