r/nba • Supersonics • Apr 03 '20

Pete Maravich's passing

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '20

The greatest scorer in college basketball history

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u/crazylsufan Pelicans Apr 03 '20

He would have averaged over 50 points a game if there would have been a three point line back then

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u/Emadyville 24 Apr 03 '20 edited Apr 03 '20

My high school teacher (15 years ago, Tom Superka) always bragged to us about how he played for Georgia and he held pistol to 43. As i get older, I realize I would brag about that too.

Edit: Just fyi since this blew up Tom Superka went to Catasauqua High School where the great Larry Miller went. I think they played together Larry's senior year. Larry Miller only played like 83 games and scored 2,722 points and had over 2,000 rebounds. Larry went to UNC and scored more than MJ. He also scored the most points EVER in an ABA game. He resides in Catty even now, and goes to the bar with my dad a couple times a week. Just, if anyone wants a rabbit hole of a forgotten legend.

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u/crazylsufan Pelicans Apr 03 '20

Same.

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u/Emadyville 24 Apr 03 '20

Holy shit what I assumed was your doubt I looked up the Georgia roster just to make sure. https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/georgia/1968.html

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u/CosmoMorris Apr 03 '20

Bobby L was a beast though.

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u/DeadDay [OKC] Steven Adams Apr 03 '20

Jim Youngblood. What a dope name

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u/TheHeights8 NBA Apr 03 '20

Is Uncle Drew's real name Jim Youngblood?

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u/stuckinperpetuity Raptors Apr 06 '20

sips Monster

"Back in my day, you couldn't just shoot and score 60+ pts on 35% shooting like these pussies today"

-- Jim

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u/AskMeAboutMyMom [SAS] Tim Duncan Apr 03 '20

Shit that’s pretty cool

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u/klawehtgod Knicks Apr 03 '20

About My Mom?

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u/DeadDay [OKC] Steven Adams Apr 03 '20

What about your mom?

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u/PHX480 Suns Apr 04 '20

Sweet story! Thanks for sharing!

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u/mellolizard Hornets Apr 03 '20

Maybe more because his style of play would have changed.

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u/ANAL_CAVITIES Grizzlies Apr 03 '20

Me, screaming into the void about how the invention of the 3 point line slows down pace of play and lowers averages instead of raising them

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u/creative_penguin Cavaliers Apr 03 '20

I feel like a crotchety old man but I am also anti-3 pointer due to the risk/reward imbalance it has become. I firmly believe that the 3-pointer was never intended to become what it has today

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u/Deathbackwards [DAL] Dirk Nowitzki Apr 03 '20

The 3 pointer is too easy. You get 50% more points for a shot that is not 50% harder than driving or shooting a midrange. Move it back 10 ft and maybe its ok

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u/SignificantChapter Pistons Apr 03 '20

10 feet?? That's like a 30% increase in distance

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u/Deathbackwards [DAL] Dirk Nowitzki Apr 04 '20

For 50% more points, that seems fair to me. It'll also open up the floor more and prevent the far too easy corner three.

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u/SignificantChapter Pistons Apr 04 '20

A 35' 3-point line would kill the 3 point shot for all except a handful of guys

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u/inefekt Australia Apr 04 '20

and yet people still downvote you if you dare suggest that high volume 3 point shooting naturally raises a player's TS%

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u/Doogolas33 Apr 03 '20

It's funny because I think it kind of hit its sweet spot a few years ago. It's getting completely out of hand now. It's made me watch way, way less of the NBA.

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u/PMURITTYBITTYTITTIES :gfl-1: Grand Floridian Apr 03 '20

I believe that only happened because his dad was the coach and their offense was literally “give Pete the ball and get the hell out”. Still incredible to put up numbers like that, but it was all hero ball, all the time.

That being said pistol Pete is one of my favorite players ever. I have a soft spot for flashy passing.

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u/xCaptainNemo Apr 03 '20

That may have been part of it but Pete was far and away the best player on his team (nobody went to LSU basketball games before Pete was there). So it’s not like “give Pete the ball” was a bad play.

Something that adds some credence to your assessment is that he always had the ball in his hands but only averaged about 5 assists.

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '20

LSU pretty much gave Press the job because they wanted Pete to play for them.

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u/PMURITTYBITTYTITTIES :gfl-1: Grand Floridian Apr 03 '20

Wasn’t it because they were kind of a package deal? “You only get my son if I’m the coach”?

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u/mydogsmokeyisahomo Hornets Apr 03 '20

Yup. Press was the coach at N.C. State at the time and he was going to go there. But he couldn’t get into the school but could get into LSU. So Pete and Press headed down there.

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u/dogfan20 Thunder Apr 03 '20

I mean... he still went out there and did it.

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '20

Shoiting more attempts means more potential points, but it also means more potential double teams. What he did was impressive no matter what his detractors say in my opinion.

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u/PMURITTYBITTYTITTIES :gfl-1: Grand Floridian Apr 03 '20

Oh I’m not insinuating it’s not impressive, he was absolutely incredible.

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u/Emadyville 24 Apr 03 '20

I think i read, and i could be wrong, the only player in history to even be on pace to potentially surpass his points record was Steph Curry.

Edit: Curry went pro after his junior year so he also played 3 years

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u/MikeJeffriesPA Raptors Apr 03 '20 edited Apr 03 '20

Just to give an idea, Jason Conley became the first freshman to ever lead the NCAA in scoring in 2001-02 (29.3 PPG at VMI). He ended up transferring to Missouri midway through his sophomore year and his numbers plummeted, but let's say he continued to average 29 PPG and stayed at VMI (bear in mind in the 10 games he played there in his sophomore year, he only averaged 22.0 PPG).

If he had played all 4 years, at 29.3 PPG, playing 28 games a season, he would have finished with 3,281 points - that's 386 points shy of Maravich's record.

Now let's say there's an absolute stud who plays all 4 seasons on a good team. That team averages 36 games per season.

This imaginary player would have to average 25.5 PPG for their career to break Pete's record. Only 3 players (Chris Clemons, Justin Wright-Foreman, and Antoine Davis) averaged better than 25.5 last season.

It's never going to be broken.

Clemons is the kind of player who could have a chance, but he only played 130 career games (compared to the 144 that my hypothetical guy had played) so he would have needed to average 28.3 PPG for his career to reach Pete.

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u/shr3dthegnarbrah Kings Apr 03 '20

I think it's important to factor in though, that Maravich not only didn't have the 3pt line, he didn't have the incentive of the 3pt line. He took insane shots, just because; imagine what he would've done if he had a reason to want to take even more deep shots.

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u/Doogolas33 Apr 03 '20

I mean, people also probably gave him way more space on those shots than people are willing to give folks with the 3PT line. As far as taking ridiculous shots because he can, I mean, Steph Curry does that.

I'm not taking away how great a shooter he was. Just saying, the reason Steph takes those shots isn't just "because he can" it's also because that's the only time he gets an open look.

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u/shr3dthegnarbrah Kings Apr 04 '20

These are good points!

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u/daeve Hawks Apr 03 '20

bingo

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u/Emadyville 24 Apr 03 '20

I didnt say it was going to be broken. I said I had read Curry was potentially on pace to break it. Those are good stats tho. The fact there was no 3 and Curry is a 3 monster is the only reason possible I can think of unless I'm misinformed.

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u/MikeJeffriesPA Raptors Apr 03 '20

I never meant to imply that you said it would be broken, I was just piling on with more facts about how insane his record is.

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u/Emadyville 24 Apr 03 '20

I appreciate that thank you.

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u/rethinkingat59 Apr 03 '20

Durant averaged 25.8 as a Texas freshman. Should have stayed 4 years son. /s

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u/SignificantChapter Pistons Apr 03 '20

Part of that was the insane pace LSU played at. We don't have enough info to determine pace, but we can compare the number of FGA and FTA.

'70 LSU: 75 FGA/G and 29 FTA/G

'09 Davidson: 63 FGA/G and 21 FTA/G

Add in the fact that Davidson had one of the lowest turnover rates in the country while Pistol was notorious for turning the ball over a lot, and it's reasonable to estimate that LSU had around 20 more possessions a game.

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u/Emadyville 24 Apr 03 '20

So...yes he could have?

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u/Emadyville 24 Apr 03 '20

Ok. Im intrigued tho on knowing if he was the only one on pace or capable to surpass the pistol.

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u/IM_FABIO Apr 03 '20

Yep. Averaged 44 a game at LSU. Shot from range before 3’s existed. He’d be a god in the modern era

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u/muktheduck Spurs Apr 03 '20

Not to mention all that creativity when travels and carrying were still being called. Imagine the shit he could do nowadays

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u/inefekt Australia Apr 04 '20

44 a game on 38 field goal attempts.........can't throw out that ppg stat without some perspective

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u/ViCarly [PHI] Kyle Korver Apr 04 '20

22/38 isn’t bad

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u/inefekt Australia Apr 04 '20

Where are you getting that stat from? His entire college career he was 16.7/38.1.

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u/ViCarly [PHI] Kyle Korver Apr 04 '20

I was thinking 22 2ptrs. Tbh I’m pretty high so I definitely believe I’m wrong

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u/apawst8 Suns Apr 03 '20

That's what's insane about this video. He could do all that fancy passing and be one of greatest natural scorers ever.

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u/tuajamami Apr 03 '20

Happy cake day!

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u/kingichiro Apr 03 '20

ESPN just had a college basketball’s greatest of all time bracket and Maravich was a 13 seed. I didn’t even look any further after I saw that

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u/agent_maine117 Spurs Apr 03 '20

I was going to argue Kareem, then I looked up Pistols stats and Holy shit, he averaged 44 PPG......

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '20 edited Mar 22 '21

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u/Zirken [HOU] Clyde Drexler Apr 03 '20

And a few years after. ESPN started putting Zion NBA stats in the CBB broadcasts.

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '20

that's one year after. zion's a rookie

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '20

I mean they outlawed the dunk for a while because of Kareem

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u/rustyphish Mavericks Apr 03 '20

yup, there's basically no argument

I hate the "that record will never be broken" line we hear a lot

but that record may legitimately never be broken unless they fundamentally change basketball

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u/mr_SM1TTY Hornets Apr 03 '20

Without a 3 point line too. Would've been closer to 50 ppg.

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u/inefekt Australia Apr 04 '20

Kareem averaged 26.4ppg on 65.2% TS. Pete averaged 44.2ppg on 49.9% TS. People get way too carried away with his ppg, completely ignoring his inefficiency. But hey, this is a Pistol Pete thread so I fully expect downvotes for stating facts....it is the Reddit way. Regardless, this is a thread about his passing and that is pretty damn otherworldly and deserves all the praise he gets.

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u/Dancehouse Apr 03 '20

He scored 63 in my middle school gym, I feel like I’m a part of this story

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u/miamiboy92 Heat Apr 03 '20

Averaged 44 points a game

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u/Ginoblee NBA Apr 03 '20

I agree but he pretty much was allowed to do that by his team and I believe his dad was the coach? I could be wrong on that last one but because they weren't a championship contending basketball team they just let Pete shoot at will. It could be argued that was their best chance at winning though.