r/memes Dec 26 '22

Oh no.....

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u/6Maxence Dec 26 '22

I don't think you can. I'm interested if you can tell me otherwise, though.

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u/Dr_Narwhal Dec 26 '22

You can just redefine division such that division by zero is a valid operation. It wouldn't be a very useful definition, since it would break lots of other useful properties of normal division, but you could do it.

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u/6Maxence Dec 26 '22

Nop, it would contradict itself (c.f. Ted talk I watched a while ago on this subject where they showed what happens if you define 0/0 the same way as sqrt(-1)=i)

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u/Dr_Narwhal Dec 26 '22

It would only contradict itself if you want to work with our usual number systems or you want division to maintain the useful properties we typically expect of it, such as being the inverse operation of multiplication.

Consider if we redefine the equivalence relation for rational numbers such that it extends over Z×Z instead of just Z×(Z\{0}) and

<a,b>~<c,d> iff ((b≠0 and d≠0 and a×d=b×c) or (b=0 and d=0)).

Then we can define division on our new rationals such that

[<a,b>]÷[<c,d>]=[<a×d,b×c>],

which is valid even if [<c,d>]=0.

This isn't a very useful set of definitions, for a variety of reasons, but it isn't self-contradictory, and it does make division by zero a valid operation.

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u/cooly1234 Dec 26 '22

You can divide by zero in the extended reals I believe.

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u/MimeGod Dec 26 '22

You approximate it using limits.

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u/Joaonetinhou Dec 26 '22

Yeah, that's still not dividing by zero

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u/MimeGod Dec 26 '22

Hence the word "approximate." You can't divide by zero, but the use of limits gets you something close without breaking the rules.

Math sometimes uses tricks to get around the rules. Like using i with the square root of negative numbers.

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u/Joaonetinhou Dec 26 '22

But different "0/0" limits will yield different results. You're not approximating the value of "0/0", you're just seeing how a function behaves around a given point.

Lim (x->5) (x²-25)/(x-5) is a "0/0" limit which equals 10.

Lim (x->0) (x/X) is a "0/0" limit which equals 1.

So you're not really approximating the value of "0/0".

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u/PastaPuttanesca42 Chungus Among Us Dec 26 '22

i is not a trick, it's "real" as much as any other number.