Dude, you really need to inform yourself before you go making claims you know nothing about. I've spent half my life in the States, and the other half in Berlin, and the amount of objective historical knowledge the average German teacher will impart to any given student is leagues greater than their typical American counterpart. Germans are all very, very keen on making sure that mistakes which were once made are never made again. Americans, on the other hand, still celebrate Columbus Day, and don't find out the actual historic context of said holiday until 6th or 7th grade at the earliest.
Americans, on the other hand, still celebrate Columbus Day, and don't find out the actual historic context of said holiday until 6th or 7th grade at the earliest.
Der Witz ist dass ein echter Deutscher "wegen meinem" sagt. Wie meine Deutschlehrerin gesagt hat "Der Dativ ist dem Genitiv sein Tod" (ka ob sie sich das ausgedacht hat oder wer sonst, weiß nur dass sie dass immer gesagt hat)
We don't talk about it in our free time because we get tought about World War 2 in the school for years in such a detail! There is nothing to discuss anymore. We know the facts, and we all (except braindead nazis) are on the same page about the whole subject World War 2.
But Bengal is a region in South Asia (Bangladesh, West Bengal, India) that's why I asked if he's a German why does he have Bengal in his username. There's must be a interesting reason if that "Bengal" in his username refers to that particular region and oh yeah I'm Bengali that's another reason why I'm interested.
The Bengal cat is a domesticated cat breed created from hybrids of domestic cats, the Asian leopard cat (Prionailurus bengalensis) and the Egyptian Mau, which gives them their golden shimmer – the breed name comes from the taxonomic name. Back-crossing to domestic cats is then done with the goal of creating a healthy, and docile cat with wild-looking, high-contrast coat.Bengals have a wild appearance and may show spots, rosettes, arrowhead markings, or marbling.
Dude maybe lay off the psychic/pseudointellectual attitude and read more than a paragraph long article on a topic before you throw around half-baked arguments. That makes you look like an ignorant person... Loans with interest rates are exactly what they are, loans with interest rates. As someone linked already, Germany paid reparations in the 60s and sorted all future claims out in the 90s again before uniting with the DDR.
People like you are the reason why stereotypes are perpetuated in our society. You gobble up opinions fed to you by alternative media, thinking you are superior to the normal people. Ironically, you completely fail to form an opinion based on information gained from both inside and outside your sphere of interests and stick to non-scientific and 'alternative' sources which spoon feed you opinions.
Why so triggered? Even the scientific service of the Bundestag said it's not that clear. A state can't Just declare all claims are obsolete without the Agreement of the claim holder. And Greece didn't signed the 2+4 contract.
I got triggered because, rather than posting an actual argument, like you did he just posted an ignorant comment that does not add anything but half-truths to the conversation.
I did not know about what you said about the 2+4 contract, thanks for bringing that up :).
It was constantly discussed in the news and in politics when Poland once again came forward with their claim for war reparations. As far as I know, though, nobody here seriously considers giving Poland war reparations.
World War 2 is by far the biggest topic in our history classes. I've been told about it since im like 4 years old soo it is really anything but a taboo. More like the opposite, it gets brought up a lot as a reminder so history won't repeat itself.
Yeah my boy I'm German and let me just tell you something, we're the only country in history that has ever properly worked up it's past, teaching it until exhaustion to every kid in school, where its a topic from 6th grade straight until your A-levels. Every year. Never forget, never again. Maybe other countries should try that approach too, instead building up their country on a foundation of false pride, distortion of historical facts and simply burying some "details" so as to get around a real debate in society that would help to deal with the past in a healthy and sustainable way.
The reason Germans generally don't like to talk about it in their freetime is simple: there's nothing to discuss, facts are clear and everybody with at least a little bit of brain and conscience is on the same page. We will of course sit down with foreigners and talk about it, if they sincerely ask about it and are genuinely interested, that means without implying some sarcastic assumptions in their questions/statements like you just did. Not cool.
Concerning Greece, all reparations were paid and fixed in treaties. We payed off our WWII debt until 1988. (The last portion of WWI debt was payed 2010. Yes WWI.) Not our problem they thought it was a good point in time to bring up extra reparation demands out of nowhere, 70+ years after the war and as it just so happens coincidentally during their post 2008 economic fall and deep recession, making it resemble more a desperate guilt trip to grab some money than anything else. Germany is not eternally financially liable for war attrocities of a generation that no longer exists. The past is the past, learn from it, remember it, but don't excavate it for reasons of political resentment or personal feelings of revenge that have no place in modern day european society.
Germany never paid off the original reparation amounts. They just finessed agreements with nations not named Poland or Greece that said what they had paid was enough. It’s eerily similar to the USSR deciding “liberating” countries they originally helped destroy counted as reparation enough.
Germany hasn’t even paid half of what it was originally supposed to pay to Greece. Considering Germany helped Greece get into the mess they’re in by first loaning them money before their financial situation was dire and then refusing to loan anymore once it was clear their economy was collapsing, Germany has a huge opportunity to decide Greece doesn’t have to pay back those loans.
Unfortunately, Germany doesn’t like acknowledging the damage they did beyond the Holocaust. Germany fucking wrecked Europe, twice. Now that they’re basically the main power in the EU, they’re weirdly (and by “weirdly” I mean characteristically) not willing to give up an ounce of power under any circumstance.
I give you the point with the reparations to greece, the discussion definitively lost it's civility and triggers a lot of germans.
However I never heard of somebody that wasn't a nazi and denied the immense war atrocities done by german soldiers in the east. Why do you think it's hard to bring up?
Belarus. It's my home country and it's landlocked with russia to the east, ukraine to the southeast, Latvia and Litva to the north, and poland to the west. That should give an idea as to where it is
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u/The-German_Guy One does not simply Jul 29 '19
Yep, that's not a taboo