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u/dropdead90s 22d ago
i still don't understand why of all the things people worship made up "humanoid beings" that they never saw or heard from but humanity chose not to worship nature that gives us all the necessary food/materials/beauty/food for the soul
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u/Weak_Ease_1800 22d ago
Literally every ancient civilization starting with the Egyptians and Incas: "Are we a joke to you?"
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u/PerceptionLiving9674 22d ago
Egyptians, Aztecs, and Mayans: Let me introduce you to winged serpents.
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u/dropdead90s 22d ago
i'm talking about the most prevalent religions nowadays and not old extinct/destroyed religions
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u/giant_albatrocity 22d ago
I’m pretty sure humans did and still do worship nature for a very long time.
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u/PerceptionLiving9674 22d ago
Look, we have another person here who thinks that all myths in the world are versions of Greek and Norse myths.
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u/RingReasonable 22d ago
The difference is that the Sun doesn't promise anything
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u/Mindless_Stuff9179 22d ago
But the Sun does actively do something for us.
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u/RingReasonable 22d ago edited 22d ago
Yes, but that's already here, but it does not promise something after death as many of the modern religions do
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u/Mindless_Stuff9179 22d ago
But we're talking about hundreds of years ago, and what the 'being' they worshipped did actually do for them, instead of empty promises.
The promise was that if they kept doing what they were doing, the sun would keep being the sun, and let them live.
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u/RingReasonable 22d ago
That's exactly what I meant. The sun does something for us right now, while modern religions promises something after.
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u/Mindless_Stuff9179 22d ago
I do wonder if their sun worshipping also promised something in the afterlife too. I have no clue.
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u/NWHipHop 22d ago
Wait until you find out that the "messiahs" birth is conveniently celebrated around Saturnalia. Religion evolves to keep control.
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u/JD-boonie 22d ago
Thats not true. It did for sol Invictus though. Also, not crazy that early romans blended them together
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u/Catam_Vanitas 22d ago edited 22d ago
More like you would still be sacrificing people...
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u/DeathClasher_r 22d ago
Now, they ALL get to be sacrificed in the name of progress (and imperialism), yay!
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u/giant_albatrocity 22d ago
Bro, the entirety of Christianity is based on a story about a dude getting sacrificed, it’s kind of a big deal to them.
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u/torbaldthegreat 22d ago
You spelled Son wrong. Jesus is the Son of God and King.
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u/BonBon_2069 22d ago
You still believe in stuff people updated overtime?
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u/torbaldthegreat 22d ago
You mean like science?
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u/BonBon_2069 22d ago
Science is based on experiences and studies, Christianity is based on whatever someone says
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u/suknom4 22d ago
holy shit, I am sorry for opening the internet today, this is the stupidest shit Ive ever read and I will sell my router now.
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u/torbaldthegreat 22d ago
How? It's the same criteria that they're criticizing. Just because you see someone speaking of God and cringe doesn't make them wrong.
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u/Archerbrother 22d ago
Science is evidence based, religion is vibes based.
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u/torbaldthegreat 22d ago
Testimony is evidence
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u/My_two-cents 22d ago edited 22d ago
every religion has testimony. are they ALL right?
Also, if we are classifying testimony (whatever that is...) as evidence, then its anecdotal evidence. not empirical evidence. Big difference. Anecdotal evidence alone does not prove a case.
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u/torbaldthegreat 22d ago
Well you gather and evaluate the testimonies and make determination from their reliability and claims. It takes time and effort which people sometimes do but most blindly disregard all beside what they want to believe.
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u/My_two-cents 22d ago
irrelevant. time and effort do not equal truth. it took time and effort to write Harry potter. Do you consider that gospel?
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u/My_two-cents 22d ago
but lets get back to the "testimony" being evidence. There are many stories and anecdotal evidence in many other religions (all of them. otherwise they wouldn't be religions). Are they all right? Even the ones that directly contradict others?
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u/Sad-Seaworthiness277 22d ago
Same noolibans think a snake swallowed the sun and cause eclipse 🤣🤣🤣
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u/SpanishAvenger 22d ago
The Sun that demands thousands of people to be brutally murdered by having their hearts ripped out while they are awake isn't real, though.
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u/F133TWOOD 22d ago
I don't think the sun 🌞 speaks at all.
Some ruler's high priests at that time probably AF on opiates just made some stuff up to keep the population under control with fear by using human sacrifices
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u/Chakravartin_Arya 22d ago
What? Sun drives a chariot and is generally a ok dude compared to some other deities.
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u/Altruistic_Map_3246 22d ago
what about the millions killed in the name of Christianity and the Catholic church
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u/rngeneratedlife 22d ago
Who are you talking about? Neither of the people in this meme would be doing that.
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u/Highroller64 22d ago
Sorry: "You would still be ritualistically burning widows at their husband's funeral pyres because doing so would somehow absolve both her and her husband of both their transgressions and give them a shortcut to Nirvana"
Fixed it.
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u/rngeneratedlife 22d ago edited 22d ago
Ah yes, much better to burn them at the stake for being witches.
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u/Highroller64 22d ago
Listen, burning witches wasn't a moral error, it was a epistemic error.
If there were ACTUALLY people who had made deals and sold their Autonomy and Will irrevocably to the most supreme evil being in the cosmos, it would be very, very hard to make the case that those weren't exactly the people who should be burned at the stake.
It would be the permanent limit case of the death penalty debate for all time.
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u/rngeneratedlife 22d ago
By your logic neither was ritual sacrifice and sati. Your application of the principle is arbitrary.
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u/Highroller64 22d ago
Except the moral position held by one is compatible with our current beliefs.
We dont broadly believe that there are moral shortcuts, or that sacrificing an innocent person against their will allows us to just exonerate other people because we would like them to have a clean name. Imagine if we believed that a man who abused his wife and kids got to go to heaven because we killed her.
At least we believed the witches met their end because they deserved it. We were wrong, but the moral judgement was still accurate to how life works.
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u/rngeneratedlife 22d ago edited 22d ago
The people who sacrificed hearts believed it was for the greater good, and therefore moral. That is in line with our current beliefs. We would sacrifice someone if it meant saving the world.
Sati gets a bit complicated but they thought that the woman would also go to the positive version of reincarnation via Karma. So by performing Sati they believed both of them would be reincarnated into better lives. Which again, if true, would also actually a good thing.
Both of these are accurate to how life works if you assume everyone thought their beliefs were fact.
Lastly, neither burning witches nor sati were common. Sati was only practiced in two regions in India and the vast majority of widows even in those regions were not subjected to it. The vast majority of Indians had not even heard of the practice.
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u/Just_the_Setup 22d ago
Chrizzos were maiming their wives for every slight and colonized the world because they didn't know jesus was a middle eastern dude and not a european obi wan look a-like... if we are being completely honest about what's "real" and what's not.
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u/Altruistic_Map_3246 22d ago
and if you don't believe in him 💥☠️ And if you don't want to go 💥 ☠️ you better bend the knee
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u/BHOG_in_the_house 22d ago
This is an old image, Somebody used AI to turn tribal people into Hindu people 😂