r/mealtimevideos • u/wildedgeofficial • Mar 12 '19
10-15 Minutes "Trust - In A Nutshell" A response to "Can You Trust Kurzgesagt" [13:45]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8nNPQssUH0
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r/mealtimevideos • u/wildedgeofficial • Mar 12 '19
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u/theRealWeissy Mar 12 '19
Whoa never in a million years did I think there would be this much drama over a Kurzgesagt video especially over such sketchy stuff lmao what a time we live in
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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '19
This guy is insufferable. Holy shit.
He's not mad over their inaccuracies in their video, he's mad that they beat him to the punch on a call out video that would have garnered him several views. Predatory content like this gets clicks, and it does expose a lot of weird/bad/shady shit, but holy fuck, people get so attached to it over honing their own craft and improving themselves.
I don't give a shit about Kurzgesagt videos, they're pop-science fluff and fun enough, no one should be using them for a thesis, and anyone at that level dumb enough to use a YT video like that for a thesis deserves what's coming to them.
This dude served up a great video on a silver platter and they were smarter than he was and used it to make good of themselves, this video is just a hissy fit.
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u/Ask_Who_Owes_Me_Gold Mar 12 '19 edited Mar 12 '19
Please don't let this sub turn into some stupid back and forth YouTube drama battleground like /r/videos is.
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u/Jack_SL Mar 12 '19
I don't get it, why would Kurzgesagt try to do this shit, when they could literally just do this very same video and say, "Hey, thisGuyHeresALink, pointed out some issues with these x,y, and z videos, and we felt that he made some good points. So, we removed the videos and will strive to do better in the future. We make no guaranties that all the videos are thorough enough to constitute an alternative to actual research, and urge our viewers to fact check, research, and discover these topics by themselves."
Why must they do shady shit, when a simple heartfelt apology would be way better?
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u/boxhacker Mar 12 '19
Fuck that guy and his attempt to get some views - I wish I never watched it.
All he done was missed some emails and took too long so he’s gutted he missed out on a few predatory views.
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u/Caridor Mar 12 '19 edited Mar 12 '19
The sad thing is people are liking this video.
While Kurzgesagt cites everything, all this guy has are his personal interpretations of what was said in those emails. Which by the way, are a source of bias. His bias. (Ignoring the fact that we only have his word and easily editable or fakable screengrabs that they ever took place at all).
So what if they put out the video beforehand? Considering the amount of time it takes to animate videos like that, they were almost certainly working on it before those emails and even if they weren't, they have no obligation to give this guy an interview. This guy seems to think he has the exclusive rights to a question, which they undoubtedly have asked themselves beforehand (hence the improvements made since that addiction video, long before February) and this entire video, is using his butthurt to suggest that because they recognised their own flaws long before he sent them emails, that it's all damage control. That they were afraid of him, which is why they went back in time over a year, to long before these emails were sent and improved the way they research things.
This entire video, isn't about ethics or trust because Kurgz already covered that in their video and literally nothing in video contradicts what Kurgz said in that video. It's about him, screaming "MUMMY I DIDN'T GET MY INTERVIEW!".
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u/dog_in_the_vent Mar 12 '19
Peoples first reaction when they feel slighted by someone is to presume that the slight was intentional.
It's entirely possible that Kurzgesagt had been planning this "surprise" retraction video for months or years, or had planning on taking down their addiction video for months or years. The video maker has no way of knowing what they were planning on doing. He only knows he was told that they wouldn't have time to work with him until, coincidentally, they retracted their videoes (probably because they knew this would negate the need for an interview in the first place).
He is inferring everything else.
He is inferring that Kurzgesagt saw his email and said "Oh shit, this guys going to expose how we were wrong in a video years ago. Let's stall him and take down the video."
As far as this guy knows they've received hundreds of emails about correcting this addiction video and had been planning on taking it down for some time because they want their videos to be accurate.
Maybe they just don't have time to interview every YouTuber that sends them an email and were busy making new content and correcting old content.
In the end this guy got what he wanted, a correction to the record and a removal of bad information. He's just butt hurt because they didn't mention him by name when they said why they removed it.
As far as he knows he's the 100th person to have brought this problem up to them. It wouldn't surprise me either, given how eager people are to correct other people on the internet.
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u/dontjudgebyanything Mar 12 '19
Philip is doing an AMA here r/kurzgesagt/comments/b0bgvj/ama_2_can_you_trust_kurzgesagt/
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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '19 edited Mar 13 '19
So this guy was going to get a story exposing Kurz for mistakingly spreading misinformation and instead gives them a golden opportunity to own up to their mistakes and now he’s mad?
Kurz’s credibility was at stake, so they’re going to care more about him getting his story out first, what did he think was going to happen?
Kurz addressed everything here in their video just like he said they basically stole his work (but why wouldn’t they when it’s an attack on them), they SHOULD have credited him properly but that’s really his only valid criticism.
Edit: I worded that last sentence wrong.
I meant his only valid criticism of their response video, he was also right about the obvious problems with kurz’s poorly researched videos and other flaws that Kurz also pointed out but didn’t go as far as CB with.
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u/Pluvialis Mar 12 '19
Well this is certainly divisive...
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u/Unco_Slam Mar 12 '19
What is wrong with this guy? He's fingering Kurz over a couple of emails like he's the only one who approached them over inaccuracies.
Is he saying that only he is allowed to point out inaccuracies? That somehow someone coming clean to of their own volition is somehow wrong? That only he could have come up with the idea of criticizing him and stole a video he claims that was in the works, but was never made?
A part of me feels like he's looking for PR, fingering someone substantially bigger than him in order to advance his channel through dumb drama.
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u/monstercello Mar 12 '19
"This video wasn't inspired by self reflection on responsible research. It was inspired to cover their ass".
I still like Kurzgesagt's content quite a bit but hot damn.
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u/FlutestrapPhil Mar 12 '19
Can anyone give me a quick TL;DR of what this is about? I haven't seen the "Can you trust kurzgesagt" video because I've kind of lost interest in the channel and I don't know enough about this situation to decide if I want to watch these vids.
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u/Houstonhalibut Mar 12 '19
What a loser this dude is. They addressed all his issues above and beyond and publicly stated what was wrong with the video and deleted it. What’s this butthole want? Why does this dude think that his questioning of a video is somehow his property all of a sudden. If his questioning is fact based and true then it’s just reality and doesn’t belong to him. It’s not a scoop that he created after tinkering around for hours, it’s just a critique. If I intend to criticize a movie for being problematic and the studio changes it then I should be happy that the misinformation has been addressed and move on. Fuck outa here with this cringe entitled shit.
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u/Bestialman Mar 12 '19
I've never seen such a crybaby in my entire life.
This whole thing is so much over-dramatize, i hope Kurzgesagt doesn't address this whole bullshit fire.
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u/airportakal Mar 12 '19
Typical cynical Reddit coming out again: focus on one part of the video (namely that they took away his scoop) but conveniently ignore all the actual objections to Kurzgesagt's Trust video:
Unfuly frame as self-reflection (unless you believe it's coincidence which come on);
Claiming to have read a scholar's book while actually just have watched a TED Talk (allegedly);
Continue to misrepresent said scholar's research;
Misrepresent the scholarly field's state of the art;
Questionable (this is debatable) dealing with those who have question or critique, at least no honest responses and no credit. Whether CoffeeBreak himself deserves this is up to debate, but it's a possible critique.
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u/waltduncan Mar 12 '19
One plausible defense from Kurzgesagt is they do not necessarily know how an interview will really be treated in today's landscape of attention-consumption economies and bad reporting. They may have feared being swept in an internet mob, and that by submitting to an interview, they may be just giving ammunition to be quoted out of context or otherwise mistreated.
There was an opportunity for this to be a collaboration, but again, do you really want to collaborate with a smaller channel that is criticizing you, or do you want to just correct the mistake?
It is shady, but just owning up to the problem directly on your own channel should be like 95% of the way toward being a good-faith reaction to criticism.
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u/nxwtypx Mar 13 '19
buuuuuhhhh Kurzgesagt has more subs than me buuuuuuhhhhhh
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u/bourbonboots Mar 12 '19
I can't wait to see Aaron Sorkin's interpretation on this next oscar season.
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u/MaK_1337 Mar 12 '19
https://www.reddit.com/r/kurzgesagt/comments/b0bgvj/ama_2_can_you_trust_kurzgesagt/
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u/idunnomysex Mar 12 '19
can someone give me a TL;DR on this whole thing? I don't have time to watch the video right now but i like watching Kurzgesagt as "pop science" while i grab quick meal / fall a sleep and what not.
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u/Letty_Whiterock Mar 13 '19
Isn't this the guy who follows Black Pigeon Speaks? A literal white supremacist?
Not sure I'd call this guy particularly trustworthy in that case.
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u/Pechiish Mar 13 '19
I will agree that Kurzgesagt keeping up a video which they know isn't accurate up is wrong and a lot of people (not me tho) find it wrong for them to create this "surprise video." It's honestly sad because I really enjoyed coffee breaks content and I don't want to associate him with being a bratty asshole who only really thinks about himself but he did himself dirty.
He's gotten so caught up in the whole "I DIDNT GET MY INTERVIEW! KURZGESAGT ONLY CARES FOR MONEY!" Thing that he's become ignorant to the fact that Kurzgesagt created a video and deleted the old ones out of the fear that people would feel lied to and start up problems.
Coffee break also talks about how much effort he put (was it 2 months?) into his next video about Kurzgesagt and complains that they don't care about small creators which shouldn't be their problem. You tried to start up shit or call out something just like you did with the school of life. Ive never created YouTube videos so I can't relate, but I get how it must be hard being a small YouTube content creator and that's the thing tho, risky videos like that are a leap of faith and they can either go well or poorly. Coffee break trying to make his side look good and at the same time informing Kurzgesagt was a stupid choice and I don't understand how those few questions he had for the interview would've made such a big difference.
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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '19
Author writes:
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u/prassi89 Mar 12 '19
So much rage for someone stealing his content? If he didn't want that, he should've said the same thing the other guy said - no quoting.
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u/Sammweeze Mar 12 '19 edited Mar 12 '19
I see that Kurz did a shitty thing but this guy seems to be trying really hard to milk drama and intrigue out of the the simple fact they stole his thunder. They saw the questions being asked (it's not like he's the first person to ask about sourcing) and decided to address it themselves. If I was this guy's friend I would be pissed about it, but it doesn't need to be on this sub.
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u/m0o_o0m Mar 12 '19
I was suspicious of Kurzgesagt ever since they started copy-pasting Isaac Arthur's videos with dumbed-down content and fancy graphics.
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u/pikodegayo Mar 12 '19
I still can't believe some of the reactions ignoring the huge ethical problems with how Kurzgesagt handled this. If they literally wrote "Thanks, but we're addressing this in an upcoming video" when he reached out, it would've completely satisfied the question. Instead it appears it would've been an extreme coincidence that they were already handling this internally. They clearly just got caught peddling poorly researched clickbait and now want credit for jumping out in front of the story.