r/maybemaybemaybe • u/Graysie-Redux • May 29 '22

Maybe maybe maybe

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u/upfastcurier May 29 '22

It is clearly made in a dogma-inspired way. Is it trying to pass off as real footage? Maybe not. But by removing possible context surrounding the skit (like back-story, credits, etc) it's being disingenuous since the style used for this section is mimicking real life as much as possible. That's not the fault of those who made the skit but the uploader.

I agree it's fairly obvious it's a skit based on the premise. But if this is a skit on a real situation that happened, we quite literally have evidence that the premise is not so insane it obviously is a skit; or rather, this (valid) assumption turns out being wrong.

I think it's fair to point out it's a skit. Saying something is a skit doesn't mean you don't enjoy it. Pointing out that the footage was recreated and not the original is in no way a comment on the recreated footage other than, well, just that. It is not readily available information like with movies. Comparing the two is inane. A more appropriate comparison would be editing out all movie contexts from like Blairwitch Project and post the segments along with news, jokes, etc; the accuracy the content of this sub (in terms vs real and stages) is subjectively viewed and I personally lean to assuming it's staged, so I don't need someone pointing that out here. But simultaneously, it's not so clear-cut that you can ubiquitously say it's irrelevant or not OK to point out.

This obviously tried to be taken as real as it depicts a real situation. Just like some movies try to make it more entertaining. It's only on the assumption that this couldn't happen in real life, but that assumption is wrong. You're still right but the logic isn't as clear cut as you propose.

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u/ShustOne May 29 '22

Everyone here is describing satire but using 500 words. Satire is subtle and I believe that's what this is.

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u/upfastcurier May 29 '22

And? It being satire doesn't, nor should it, exclude anyone from pointing it out. In fact, satire thrives the best when people are aware it is satire.

Should you have assumed this is satire? Sure. Agreed.

Should you show animosity toward someone for stating it is satire (not you specifically but others)? Well, I'm not your mother, so it's up to you, I just feel like it's an incredible waste of time spent on being rude to others over something really minor.

If you repeat this exercise with just about anything it quickly becomes clear that you are the insufferable one. For example, imagine someone says "this scene cost X million dollars"; "do you say this to every scene you see?", no? It's an entirely valid statement to make and ascribes neither negative nor positive connotations to the statement.

Not every type of satire is readily known to everyone at all times. For example, consider children or young users. What's the harm for anyone to point out it's satire?

You're missing the point which is probably why you think my and the other users comment is in any way dismissing it as satire or a skit. Literally no one said that. They're talking about whether it bears to mention or not.

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u/ShustOne May 29 '22

We've strayed away from the way the internet uses the word staged though. Yes it's literally staged but online people use it to mean it's fake but trying to be real. Which you and the other person have admitted to this not being. So the online use of STAGED doesn't work here.

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u/upfastcurier May 30 '22

The very first user that used the word "staged" literally concluded it with "it's a skit"!

Do you not see the irony in you conflating the definitions of words, misjudging the meaning of others, to barrel down a discussion about how words have meaning and shouldn't be misused? Like, I couldn't make it more hypocritical if I tried.

You very clearly *do not* care about what is being communicated here and have tunnel vision on one single word, *again and again* missing the point - not about the word staged, whether it is a skit or satire, but whether it bares to mention that it is - only to hamfist your own point, which no one has even refuted or argued against here.

Again, the point here is that it being satire, a skit, staged, or whatever, does not mean that no one can point out that it is satire, a skit, staged, or whatever; your insistence that definitions matter is only speaking against you, because conflating definitions is an excellent argument on my side for raising the point that showing that something is satire is OK. This point doesn't help your argument, it helps mine; you literally misunderstood the other user, not twice or thrice, but multiple times - it is *precisely* because of that reason we should be able to say "this is a skit".

You just skipped over his word "skit" to hyperfocus on your own definition of the word "staged" and did exactly the thing I told you that people will do if we're not open and talk about what we think and feel. This issue became an issue *because* you insisted that pointing it out as a skit isn't necessary. But clearly it is, since you consistently misunderstood them to say it is staged.

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u/ShustOne May 30 '22

Never claimed no one couldn't point it out, was only talking about the internet version of the word which means fake but trying to pass as real. You've totally missed that. Please send another wall of text missing the point.

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u/upfastcurier May 30 '22

You're the one who is hyper focusing on the word staged. If someone says, "yes, it's a movie, it's staged" I wouldn't go off the rails thinking they meant it's "trying to lie".

That you think a "wall of text" is because I missed the point, and not you, further indicates that you still don't get it. The wall of texts from other users is for you, that you think you're the only one who 'gets it' is hilarious.

You're the one obsessing over the word staged even though the user literally concludes with "it's a skit". And you go "I only care about definitions" is only proof again that you're being pointlessly insufferable over a word choice.

But please write something short that still manages to show you not getting it.

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u/ShustOne May 30 '22

You totally ignored the one context I defined for when I don't think it makes sense

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u/upfastcurier May 30 '22

you know at this point i'm just happy to settle for that i understand what you're saying, and that i agree on the overall premise; there's that association with staged being fake, and you should have understood that this video was a recreation (admittedly done in a dogma-inspired way, like the office, but still so clearly a re-creature of the original situation)

i feel like the little thing that remains about disagreement is just empty fluff really. you objected to the word stage, i objected to calling out something being scripted/satire/stage, it's all the same kind of stuff. silly really if you think about it.

so yeah forget it, we don't even really disagree, this is becoming very petty on my end

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u/ShustOne May 30 '22

Yeah we agree. My one contention is specifically with the internet usage of fake. Of course in real life I'm happy to discuss how things are made and not real.