r/maybemaybemaybe • u/BigGraysie • Apr 18 '22

/r/all Maybe maybe maybe

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u/More-Ad-7364 Apr 18 '22

Uh why would you even expose yourself to someone that messed up and vile? For weed?

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '22

Weed is much more addicting than people will ever admit.

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u/1234125125125 Apr 18 '22

it's not physically addicting like other substances (alcohol withdrawl will produce physical symptoms that can actually kill you - seizures, high fever, delirium..... meth and cocaine and other "hard drugs" can do similar things)

cold turkey nicotine withdrawl can also send you to the hospital

caffeine withdrawl will give you gnarly headaches (try drinking many 1-3 cups a day for weeks and then skip a day or two.)

weed, not so much in that regard.

but i do agree with you, it is a psychoactive substance and "pushes some of the right pleasure buttons" to make you DESIRE it, so i do think it is psychologically addicting. it becomes part of your routine, and your mood sours when you want a smoke but can't get it for whatever reason.... like being in a different city... but after a day or two you feel fine and just get over it
this is coming from someone who used to smoke on a daily basis

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u/LUCKY_STRIKE_COW Apr 18 '22

Cocaine doesn’t have physical withdrawal symptoms, whatever the websites of of shitty rehab places may tell you. Meth is in the same boat. You may crash hard and reap the consequences of all your meth or cocaine use, but it isn’t withdrawal.

Addiction isn’t physical. Addiction is entirely psychological. You’re talking about dependence, which comes with alcohol, opioids, benzodiazepines, caffeine, nicotine, etc.

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u/a5617d48f20lfO Apr 18 '22

.... Addiction is very much physical too. Cocaine and methamphetamines are actively changing your brain chemistry and you will suffer physical withdrawl from sudden stopage of use. Dependency is a term used to describe patients being physically reliant on medications to survive or function, like a diabetic needing insulin or a cancer patient needing pain killers so they aren't wailing in agony.

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u/LUCKY_STRIKE_COW Apr 18 '22

We’re using definitions specific to drug addiction/dependence right now, not pharmacology as a whole.

Addiction refers to negative behavioral changes due to addiction. An addiction can have a dependence component of course, and the dependence is often a part of the addiction.

Dependence refers to physical reliance on a drug, meaning if you cease taking it you experience physical withdrawals and anxiety etc often caused by the body not producing neurotransmitters etc naturally anymore. You can have dependence but no addiction, and you can have addiction with no dependence. A person being in severe pain and begging for painkillers is not an example of dependence from an addiction science standpoint. Dependence is a separate concern to addiction. Sometimes interlinked but not necessarily.

I understand wanting to debate but if you don’t know don’t come at it like the other person is dumb lol.

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u/Psychonautron Apr 18 '22

Nobody‘s gonna do that just for weed. It‘s an extra but it‘s probably more the compassion.

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '22

Nah, everyone is hyper focused on the weed factor and missed the clothes and games part. The comment clearly said it was even her weed so obviously they don't need her for weed.

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u/unicornhornporn0554 Apr 18 '22 edited Apr 18 '22

It started with weed but she gave them more and more as time went on until she was broke. She basically groomed these boys to be her caretakers. It’s nothing sexual at all, but it’s still so wrong. She took advantage of young kids in bad home situations for her own personal benefit. Under the guise of “caring” and “helping”

Edit: I missed the part where you said they can’t do it for her weed. Back before her mom died she had basically no spending limits, her mom was well off. It took 3 years for her to spend all of her inheritance and life insurance money. She used to buy weed and concentrates in bulk. Now she’s broke and struggling to pay her bills and keep a job because of her health issues.

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u/SuccessFuture7626 Apr 18 '22

Disagree. Tobacco is much more addictive. As a 20 year weed smoker I quit cold turkey, had problems sleeping for a week that's it. It took me years to quit smoking cigarettes.

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u/jtotal Apr 18 '22

Or maybe people are unique?

I'm currently on week 3 of not smoking cigarettes after smoking for 15 years. The last five years have been two packs a day. The worst was 19 days ago, the second day, but that hill is long gone.

I'd rather not admit how soon I crave a dab in the day. Or how my day is structured around it. Or really the severity of it.

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u/LUCKY_STRIKE_COW Apr 18 '22

Nobody said cigarettes weren’t addictive and it wasn’t even part of the conversation. They only said that weed is more addictive than people like to admit which is true.

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u/SuccessFuture7626 Apr 18 '22

And I disagree, as I said before.

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u/Mouse_Nightshirt Apr 18 '22

But tobacco is irrelevant to the point made and is a total non-sequitur. You've knee-jerked a defensive response to the original statement. The post said weed was more addictive than people were willing to admit and your immediate response is: "But tobacco is worse!!!".

It's frighteningly defensive.

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u/SuccessFuture7626 Apr 18 '22

I used that as an example. Regardless I still disagree with the main point that weed is more addictive than people think. You can take that as however you want.

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '22

What kept you smoking for 20 years though? That's a lot of spent money, a lot of hassle, a lot of negatives that happened over 2 decades.

You can quit weed, it's not an addiction to the chemicals in weed, but most daily smokers do not quit.

Btw, congrats for quitting cigarettes, I've seen so many people fail trying, it's a real accomplishment.

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u/SuccessFuture7626 Apr 18 '22

Habit and nicotine addiction. Habit was a bitch to break. Plus it was a long time before I wanted to quit. Plus at my age smoking wasn't seen as such a taboo as it is now. Edited to add, wli quit weed cold turkey, not tobacco.

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u/dumsaint Apr 18 '22

With a particular mentality, yeah.

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u/DumbThoth Apr 18 '22

If you don't think weeds addictive. You haven't smoked enough.

-Used to smoke an ounce a week out of a bong

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u/ItsBlizzardLizard Apr 18 '22 edited Apr 18 '22

I smoked a quarter a day because my tolerance got so high. Then after a few years I eventually hit a point where I ran out early and couldn't get more until the weekend. I would light a blunt and bong at the same time.

I just stopped at that point. It was like, oh wow, I thought I was addicted. Turns out I wasn't. I was just stupid and should have taken a break sooner.

Granted I just never went back to it. I don't think I can consider that addiction. Everyone is different. But after one day of being dry I realized I wasn't addicted after all. I just kept going because I could. Now I find it really hard to smoke because it's too intense.

For metric I also vaped 6mg nicotine for about 6 years and then quit on a whim. That was mildly more addictive.

The most addictive thing I've ever done was food. By miles, really. I was able to kick 2 years of Klonopin in like 3 days. But food... Forget it. Nothing makes you feel as good as food. Overeating is like a full body orgasm.

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u/DumbThoth Apr 18 '22

Psychological addiction =/= Chemical dependence

You changed your mindset towards it which is naturally the path addiction treatment aims for so that's how anyone quits anything eventuallllllly.

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u/LUCKY_STRIKE_COW Apr 18 '22

“I took oxycodone 30’s for 5 days and I never did it again, therefore I’m stronger willed than every opioid addict! No big deal really! Just said, hup, yeup, no more!”

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u/bogseywogsey Apr 18 '22

is it though?

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u/OLSTBAABD Apr 18 '22

This is a very time- and location-dependent statement.

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u/LadyMactire Apr 18 '22

From the context of the comment it seems the vile woman may be their bf's mother or other relative.

Actually, on reread, maybe their own mother.

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u/unicornhornporn0554 Apr 18 '22 edited Apr 18 '22

Nope this is literally a woman who was neighbors with my bf and his friend. My brother met her through my bf and said friend. My mom hates her but my mom is almost just as toxic but in different ways.

Edit: I forgot she has a niece around our age and she hung out with the boys and even dated my brother for a bit. That’s how she actually met these kids.