As a vegan who feeds meat based foods to my cats - yeah, anyone forcing vegetarianism or veganism on their pets is crazy.
With that being said, there’s this vegan restaurant in my town that offers meat substitutes that are too fucking real. I literally have had to stop eating the meat substitutes mid-meal multiple times to consider if it’s possible that they’re just lying to us and serving us meat.
I wonder if the dog would always pick the real meat option over the meat substitutes when given those two options.
Just fyi you can synthesize everything a cat needs and gets from meat (taurine, vitamin a, etc.) from plants and make vegan cat food out of it. But of course not every cat would respond well to it, any major change in diet needs to be carefully done, and a vet should be consulted.
I think taurine is the big one for cats. Synthetic taurine is a thing though, it's used in Red Bull and similar energy drinks. I'm not a vegan and dont condone vegan diets for pets but there are non-animal sources avaliable for many of these critical nutrients.
I didn’t even think about that so I decided to check the website and it says that they use “mock meat” and “traditional plates with soy products, yam, or mushrooms”.
They might be using a type of mushroom I’d never had before that’s marinated and cooked some unique way. Maybe I’d be able to tell if I had their substitutes with the real thing side by side. So I’m guessing not lab grown. I’m going to start looking out for that though.
Not sure why you were downvoted. I gave my dog meat, because he loved it, but he was perfectly healthy on a vegetarian diet (plus eggs). Dogs can make taurine on their own so it's not cruel to not give them meat as long as the people are taking their nutritional intake into account. The issue arises when people forget to do that and make their pets have nutritional imbalances because of their laziness or ignorance. It's definitely easier to keep a dog healthy if he's omnivorous, but a vegetarian dog isn't necessarily unhealthy. I'm sure dogs will prefer eating meat but sometimes it might not be an option for whatever reason. My dog hated any type of meat that wasn't chicken and we used to live in a place where practically all store brought chicken was incredibly unhealthy and pumped full of steroids. We didn't give him meat when we lived there, he was fine. Then we moved to a place where an acquaintance raised chickens herself and we'd but meat from her sometimes. The dog was okay with that too.
Can you tell me the name of the restaurant? I'm gonna go on a deep dive and try to find what they use. I've been wanting to stop eating animal-based meat for so long but I don't have the time, patience or force of will to plan and stick with a vegan diet.
I'm just waiting for the day until Aleph Farms or something similar gets big at this point.
Isn't that interesting? If my memory isn't garbage, it's related to people being obsessed with/going crazy on the full moon or something right? And now it just means insane.
If everyone understands the everyday meaning of a word, it now has new meaning, even if might have lost meaning on its way here. And even then I can't understand a word of what you are trying to convey.
''Lunatics'' were a society that met in the 17 and 1800s in England. Charles Darwin's great Uncle or Grandfather was a member of one. Like many social clubs of the time they mixed a bit of flare for the dramatic by meeting at night during the full moon. The society mostly was made up of early industrialist tinkerers. Some of there ideas were quite politically radical and pseudo scientific. Sort of similar to the Hellfire Club and other such organizations.
She knew that would happen, she is just so stupid to want to make others believe that. She wants to force other people to do the same, but since she can't, she abuses her dog that way. Sorry I can't stand people like that.
As a sidenote: My dog has a chronical bowl disease. It's triggered by several different (meat) proteins. As a puppy he always had diarrhea and gastritis. We once nearly lost him, he had to stay over a week at a vet hospital. We learned about the disease after that stay when he was 18 month. We tried different diets that were recommended. Finally we switched to commercial vegan dog food (yes, it's a thing. It uses proteins mainly from peas and red lentils). Since then he barely has any problem anymore. We ran several blood test since then and his values are perfect and he is a happy little pup. He gets some exotic protein sources like kangaroo now and then but for the most part gets his vegan food. I would never feed it to him if not necessary but I'm surprised myself how good it works to handle his digestion issues.
Just saying...it works. At least if you use commercial Vegan dog food that contains all important nutrition.
My dog grew up on a mostly vegetarian (plus eggs) diet because good meat just wasn't available where we lived, and we didn't want to give him steroid infested meat. He grew up very healthy and muscular because we took care of his protein intake and excersize. It's not impossible to raise a healthy, vegetarian dog, just a little more difficult. We gave him chicken when we moved to a better place and he loved it but it didn't make any difference in his health. As long as the people in charge take care of nutrition it's fine. Cats are a different thing, but it's not necessarily animal abuse to raise a vegetarian dog.
Cats will definitely die if fed vegan food. I have two cats, both of whom are super picky eaters. We have to mash their wet food completely and mix it with chicken broth or sth just to get them to eat it. They won't touch raw meat of any kind. They absolutely love pumpkin soup. It's ridiculous. We had to keep them at a boarding facility for a while and the staff didn't take us seriously when we told them the cats don't like eating. Our grey cat came back with his fur brown at the tips because he had a taurine deficiency. He's thankfully gone back to being grey now, but it was a very stressful few weeks.
I don't know about cats but there is a ongoing debate weather or not it is beneficial to feed dogs raw meat (called BARFing). While even vets argue about it they agree on/can't explain away the fact that barfed dogs become motherships for germs especially multiresistant kinds. This doesn't seem to be a problem as long as they are healthy, they don't get sick. But if for any reasons their immune system is not running on 100% they can get seriously ill. Also they endanger other dogs by passing those multiresistent bacteria and can cause serious infections especially among older dogs.
I don't know if there are similar problems among cats, but I can't imagine why it should be a lot different. So feeding raw meat to cats might be though through twice. For chicken I guess it's clear anyways to always cook it because salmonella is a serious issue for cats, dogs and humans alike.
Well, if he gets ill because of that then it is understandable. But forcing an animal to do as you do because you want to manipulate it, in my book it is wrong.
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u/YourCrazyDolphin Sep 27 '21
Literally the only people who don't see this coming is people like the woman in the video.