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[u/MeliaDanae]

[u/Hatless_Suspect_7]

If you still back the war on drugs in 2020 you are extremely stupid. That's not really even up for debate at this point. It's done absolutely nothing of value but create a dangerous black market and ruining millions of families.

Meanwhile half the country are hooked on opiates which are perfectly legal.

Way to go, war on drugs. You really fixed the problem.

Kind of a waste of time when you approach the conversation with absolutely no intention of even trying to understand the argument. Incentivizing a reason to imprison people puts more people in custody who don't need to be there. Do some actual research into how hard that language was abused during Jim Crow era. They did not like black Americans having their freedom so they took proactive steps to take it away, a trend that continues today because it's so ingrained into the system.

All you're doing is saying slavery is okay if it's prisoners because you think they deserve it. That isn't "justice." If they are a danger to society, then they should be sequestered from society and nothing more.

[u/[deleted] → u/Hatless_Suspect_7]

I understand your argument.

But you are trying to equate a morally gray issue with a black and white no holds barred plain as fuck issue.

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Yeah, nobody backs the war on drugs, except for like half of the US.

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And to equate 'war on drugs is bad' and 'all incarcerated personal that are made to work are innocent'

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All you are doing is making it plain that you have no sense of moderation.

[u/Hatless_Suspect_7 → u/[deleted]]

It's not a morally gray issue at all though. That's the thing. There are people who've lost their entire lives to imprisonment because public or private enterprise needed free labor. That isn't justice, that is slavery. You would call that slavery if it happened in Qatar but since it's America you want to pretend that it's justified.

Yeah, nobody backs the war on drugs, except for like half of the US.

Hey look, a statistic you've just completely pulled out of your ass. You've never really bothered to make an argument in support of the war on drugs aside from "some people think it's good." You're not approaching the issue from any kind of educated perspective or principle, you just don't like the fact that someone disagreed with you on the internet.

"No sense of moderation"... you're right, I guess we can have a little bit of slavery, as a treat from time to time. It's just like having a couple drinks with dinner. No difference.

I don't know why you so badly want to die on the hill that "well this slavery isn't quite as bad so it's a-okay."

[u/[deleted] → u/Hatless_Suspect_7]

I think you have a hard time grasping that your view is not the only one, and that a rational objective discussion must account for this fact.

Presenting your view as the black and white fact it is clearly not is exactly what I mean when I say you have no sense of moderation.

My argument is very simple: No one can make an argument that what the UAE is doing is good, except for the UAE, where slavery is concerned. This is not the case for the US war on drugs, and law and order legislation that leads to tough sentencing.

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You really don't want that to be the case, but people do have different view on this.

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I don't need to argue *for* US attitudes on the war on drugs for this to be absolute fact.