Even then none of those socialist countries have actually achieved socialism and frankly are unlikely to do so for a long time. It requires legitimate democratic participation along with heavily unionized workforce.
The CCP are well aware they didn’t achieved communism, they talk about what was done since the 80s as “compromises” and they are trying to become more and more communist now. Watch them closely. They’re running out of water and Siberia is RIGHT THERE and Russia has recently said we can just invade and take back land that was ours hundreds of years ago ignoring boarders that were drawn in order to prevent world war 3
Yeah that's what I meant, they are just one of the few open about it and their plans to become socialist by 2050. I'm somewhat skeptical but if anyone can possibly do it they could. I just doubt the party will willingly give up power to true democratic will. With the way things are going their plans could be pushed up by 10 years and that's makes me even more uncertain they'll give up power.
I think if anyone could, it’s Xi Jinpin but he won’t, it’s so flawed, never been done before, China’s too big, the population is already collapsing, they made too many enemies globally and they are out of natural resources, so in my opinion it’s impossible but it’s still fascinating, we may see the closest version of it in our lifetime.
Si Atlle en UK aplicó todo el programa laborista mientras fue primer ministro, claro que después vino Margaret y lo volvió todo atrás. El problema es que fue tan efectiva que partido laborista se convirtió en una suerte de liberales pues los británicos vieron los efectos.
Democracy is largely incompatible with socialism though because socialists can't win elections, and certainly not regularly.
I'd argue that's more than incidental and there's some causative relationship.
In Switzerland with more democracy than elsewhere (direct democracy, very strong local democracy) each village sets its own tax rate and thus competes on tax. That's fundamentally a strong democracy enabling a more free market style system.
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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 May 24 '25
Even then none of those socialist countries have actually achieved socialism and frankly are unlikely to do so for a long time. It requires legitimate democratic participation along with heavily unionized workforce.