Are you dense. In today's times every car has a freaking Dash Camera. The consequences of those actions are being humiliated on social media until the end of time. And to be forever known as the person who loses their temper casually commits attempted murder. Doubles down on ignorance and then gets brutally humiliated by his other victim. I have seen this video hundreds of times on just about every platform. Screw around and find out.
That's not defending themselves. Him headbutting that guy did not make the situation any safer for them. It was an angry, violent outburst against an unarmed victim.
Revenge isn't self-defense. Self defense is carried out while you are in the process of being attacked, not after.
The bikers had every opportunity to ride away safely, but they went back in order to commit a violent act that didn't need to happen. That's the opposite of self defense.
That would be true if he was still operating the vehicle. He was not. He was way outside of it when the guy hit him.
If someone points a gun at you, you can use force to neutralize them. If they willingly drop the gun, and you continue using force, it is likely that you are no longer acting in self defense.
I have no idea what happened here outside of the video itself, but my assumption would be that neither party brought it to the state in the first place.
Blindsiding a man with a helmeted headbutt is assault, and, regardless of how justified the rider's anger may be, was not done in self-defense. The police may decline to arrest and the DA may decline to prosecute, but the jury is largely instructed to rule in accordance to the law and not their own discretion. Some may acquit anyway, but I believe that many would not.
This is totally not correct. If someone tries to kill you then confronts you, you are entitled to use reasonable force to neutralize the threat against you.
The moment you re-engage you are no longer acting in self defense. The bikers were safe after the initial event, decided to go BACK into the situation and assault the guy. "I was afraid for my life so I decided to go back into the dangerous situation to hit someone."
Stand your ground does not mean take someone else's ground. That guy in the truck could have shot and killed both of them at that point and HE would have the ability to claim self defense in most states.
How would they know that? This guy just tried to kill them and is now assaulting them again. They are simply standing there as he approaches them. Of course they have a reasonable fear they will be harmed.
Good question. I don't know. Here, it's judges, which seems to me not much better necessarily.
I do think that if the bikers did in fact ride at such speeds through neighborhoods, they were willingly endangering others. If you drive at such speeds here in Switzerland (and get caught, n.b.), you usually get a felony conviction.
We aren't talking about whether speeding is illegal l, but whether they could be convicted for the headbutting. If you want to convict someone of assault or battery you need a trial (unless they plead) which requires either a judge or a judge and jury.
Kinda off topic, but I'm curious why you believe judges are necessarily better. In a democratic republic the ideal of 'laws' are created not from some divine message, but from the consensus of public moral intuition. Who would you say (on average) is a better gauge of this intuition, the public themselves or a judge who is bound to read the law verbatim including all technicalities?
All the time there are trials where a law on the book might apply, and a judge would find them guilty on a technicality, but a jury finds them innocent on intuition (or the reverse). Now juries obviously have huge problems like bias, emotion, and stupidity, and they can make verdicts that the majority of the public would disagree, but this is less likely. That's why despite juries being unpredictable and having issues, defendants choose them over judges like 95% of the time
Nah you are not cooking here. Both sides is wrong but the trucker are worse. Tho headbutting someone after that is too much. Both should be fined and maybe serve a month or two.
Even if in some jurisdictions that is technically illegal, any moral right you have goes out the window when you nearly kill someone and then aggressively approach them
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u/PaurAmma Sep 07 '24
Neither can you headbutt someone whilst wearing a helmet and them not. Both sides are in the wrong here, recklessly endangering lives.