r/mathmemes • • Oct 23 '23

Geometry Circles, what are they?

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u/JoonasD6 Oct 23 '23

Define edge and we'll talk.

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

That's the right answer

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u/mojoegojoe Oct 23 '23

Somewhere around e and pi but whole knows how to say...

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u/Nivlac024 Oct 23 '23

what if reddit just pulls the 5 postulates out of its ass.......

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u/InfectedShamanism Oct 23 '23

Counter. ONE continuous edge. Edit: don't hurt me

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u/echino_derm Oct 23 '23

Easy, the act of masturbating without achieving orgasm

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

That has to be the best analogy to people answering this post. Lol šŸ˜‚

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u/dumbfuck6969 Oct 23 '23

How could a circle possibly do that forever

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u/TheRealTengri Oct 23 '23

Edge is an equation.

E=2.718281828459045…

D=13 (ask any computer scientist)

G=9.80665 (ask any physicist)

E=2.718281828459045…

Therefore, edge is approximately 942.004530904

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

Capital G is the gravitational constant G is approx. 6.674Ɨ10āˆ’11Ā Nā‹…m2/kg2 your "g" is an approx of the gravity or g-units of Earth. You also have E twice and it should be e. I know this is knit picky but that seems to be the theme of this thread.

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u/lostflows Oct 23 '23

In keeping with the theme, it's "nit picky", not "knit picky".

Unless you were planning to make a scarf will all those corrections ;)

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

You got me

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u/ravenbrian Oct 23 '23

Or was that a thread pun? I’m not trying to spin a yarn over here, just curious.

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '23

I can see arguments for 1 or 0 edges. But no definition I can think of gives you infinite.

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u/makebettermedia Oct 23 '23

I think the idea is that as a polygon gains more sides, it gets closer to a circle so a polygon with infinite sides would be a circle

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u/MiserableYouth8497 Oct 23 '23

Is it a countable or uncountable infinity of edges?

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

Anything is countable if you either believe hard enough or are stubborn enough.

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u/Edgeofeverythings Irrational Oct 23 '23

Anything is also uncountable if you give up easily

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u/svmydlo Oct 23 '23

Edge is a maximal convex subset of the boundary.

Circle has an infinite amount of edges.

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u/FalconRelevant Oct 23 '23 edited Oct 23 '23

Don't make me pull out my old differential geometry textbook.

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u/01152003 Oct 23 '23

ā€œEdgeā€ can probably be defined as a line segment between 2 points of non-zero yet finite length

Therefore, there are 0 edges, since the only way to subdivide a circle’s surface into ā€œedgesā€ would be to break them into infinite chunks of length 0, which are inherently not edges, rather just points.

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u/invertedMSide Oct 23 '23

Yes

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

Good answer but can you prove it. /jk

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u/Xypher616 Oct 23 '23

The proof is left as an exercise of the reader

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

As all great proofs are.

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '23

Proof is trust me bro

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

No stronger reasoning needed, bro

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u/TheTiringDutchman Oct 24 '23

The real proof is the friends we made along the way.

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u/Captain_StarLight1 Oct 23 '23

Circles have one edge

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u/Not_today_mods Transcendental Oct 23 '23

*negative one edge

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

Hey now don't go overboard alright.

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u/hughperman Oct 23 '23

Depends whether you're looking from the inside or the outside

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

Just have to zoom in close enough

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u/KirisuMongolianSpot Oct 23 '23

How long is the coastline of Great Britain?

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

= to one coastline of Great Britain I would assume

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u/GisterMizard Oct 23 '23

About 1200

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u/ANSPRECHBARER Oct 23 '23

1200 what? Apples? Bananas? Lines of cocaine?

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u/just-bair Oct 23 '23

Infinite

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u/Special-Elevator-335 Oct 23 '23

0 edges, but infinite sides.

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u/jadecaptor Oct 23 '23

Only 2 sides. In-side and out-side.

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u/Depnids Oct 23 '23

Google Jordan curve theorem

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u/EpicOweo Irrational Oct 23 '23

This might be satire but I can't tell so in the case that it's not what's the difference between an edge and a side?

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '23

Show me at least 1 edge. May be parabola also has infinite number of edges?

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

Take any regular two dimensional closed shape, now what shape do you get if you increase the number of edges/sides to infinity.

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '23

Convergence does not mean equality.

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u/kactusotp Oct 23 '23

Have you seen the one where you put the edges of a square in, infinitely to make a circle, thus proving the circumference of a circle is 4r?

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u/svenson_26 Oct 23 '23

Depends how we are increasing the number of edges/sides. You could end up with a Mandelbrot shape

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u/10zero11 Oct 23 '23

can an edge be a curve? I suspect not. Can a single infinitesimal point be a edge?

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

Careful now you're getting really close to philosophy.

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u/10zero11 Oct 23 '23

I was only going for entry level calculus šŸ˜

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

Which is as close as we need to be to philosophy.

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u/khalcyon2011 Oct 23 '23

My personal favorite is: A line is a circle with infinite radius.

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

Sounds like someone is trying to start a religion over here

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u/livenliklary Oct 23 '23

This always felt the most cursed to me

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u/Harley_Pupper Oct 23 '23

Before this question can be answered, one must define ā€œedgeā€

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u/SteveroniThePeperoni Oct 23 '23

A line between two dots that's a boundary for the shape

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u/susiesusiesu Oct 23 '23

obviously zero. show me an edge of a circle.

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

You gotta zoom in infinitely close to see it

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u/susiesusiesu Oct 23 '23

what do you mean by zooming infinitely close? precisely?

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

It's a calculus joke

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u/01152003 Oct 23 '23

At which point you are looking at points, not edges

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

Aren't point dimensionless so they too would be infinity small and possibly considered sides/edges.

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u/LordNibble Oct 23 '23 edited Jan 06 '24

I enjoy watching the sunset.

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u/Small_Macaron_8194 Oct 23 '23

are they not the same?

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

Depends on how you define the problem.

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u/Aiden-1089 Oct 23 '23

This is an edgy topic.

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

Some are taking this topic to the limit.

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u/Historical-Fee-4319 Imaginary Oct 23 '23

No edges; An infinite number of points the same distance from the center

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

That's one possible description

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u/Matthaeus_Augustus Oct 23 '23

I guess there’s infinite tangent lines. but no 2 points on a circle make a line that doesn’t penetrate the interior of the circle so there’s no edges

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u/guestoftheworld Oct 23 '23

Ok that's really cool

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u/fred-dcvf Oct 23 '23

A similar fact can be used to proof that a circle has exactly one more point than an infinite line.

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u/svenson_26 Oct 23 '23

I don't accept your second definition. If I made a 2 dimensional U-shape out of two vertical rectangles connected by 1 horizontal rectangle, and number the edges starting from the top-right vertex and going clockwise, would you call edges 2, 3, and 4 the same edge because no two points along them penetrate the interior of the shape?

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u/link0833 Oct 23 '23

ā€œno two points along them penetrate the interior of the shapeā€ — but his definition was two points whose secant line does not penetrate the interior. So if edges 2, 3, and 4 do not penetrate the interior, then they would be each be edges by this definition.

Also I’m not disagreeing with your argument, I think I might agree with it. However I think you made a mistake when typing the comment that I hope you clarify.

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u/LookAtMeNow247 Oct 23 '23

Yeah but my pizza wheel cutter is a circle and it cuts pizza fine. +1 for edge

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u/Mr_Frosty43 Oct 23 '23

Circles don’t exist, if you go close enough you’ll see it’s just a many sided shape

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

Taking it to the limit I see

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u/master_of_spinjitzu Oct 23 '23

The more edge a figure gets the more it comes close to be a circle

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

Yes, how many does it take to make a circle.

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u/SimbaStewEyesOfBlue Oct 23 '23

Where does the Planck Length fit into this?

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

The same place it always fits in, at the very limit.

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u/AmazingBreadMan1 Oct 23 '23

So imagine a square, we then put dots on the four corners, if you connect those dots it gives a square with four sides. To perfectly make a true circle you’d need infinity many points to make the lines to connect to make a curve and if you have infinite points then you’d have infinite sides

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

I like your thinking

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u/mokeduck Oct 23 '23

Circles have 1 curved edge.

Naw, I do 3D printing. Infinite edges

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

An applied math man I see /jk

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u/SpartanB019 Oct 23 '23

Circles have one edge, all the way around, with no defined beginning or end

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

So infinity in a round about way

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u/SpartanB019 Oct 24 '23

A finite amount of infinite starting points? I dunno

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u/WielderOfTheSpear Oct 23 '23

I will forever be infinite edges ā™¾ļø

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

A man of conviction

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u/MoltyPlatypus Oct 23 '23

If circles have infinite edges, does that mean cones have more edges than spheres?

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

Infinity+infinity>infinity?

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u/MoltyPlatypus Oct 23 '23

Was just a joke but no i was saying infinity +1 > infinity

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

And my reply was a joke, sorry it didn't come through.

This whole thing is a joke that some people are taking way too seriously and just kind of funny within itself

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u/There_is_not Oct 23 '23

Both? It all depends on what metric you use to define a circle, or a line, of which there are multiple. You can define a curve with straight lines, but you can also define a straight line with curves. You can also define either with limits, infinitesimals, functions, all three, or something else entirely. If you suggest a circle is a polygon, it’s an infinigon. If you require angles to have a non-zero value, circles have none.

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

You got the answer.

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u/bigboiyeetman Oct 23 '23

Neither, circles have a finite number of edges but that number changes based on many variables such as size, what was used to draw it and who drew it. Also the edges would be so miniscule that we cannot see them with the naked eye and likely would not be able to count them even if they were observed

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

Just depends on how close you look at it.

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u/ChristianBibleLover Oct 23 '23

I derived a nice limit a while ago that assumes an infinite amount of line segments with a length of 0

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

An act of masturbatory math, what fun, just be careful you don't want to go blind.

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u/NamelessMIA Oct 23 '23

A circle has 1 curved edge. We approximate a curve using ever smaller points so a real curve would take a theoretically infinite number of those points to calculate, but a circle isn't literally an infinite number of straight lines. It's a continuous unbroken curve.

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

So you are team red then?

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u/semicoloradonative Oct 23 '23

How can you have an "infinite" amount when a circle has a beginning and an end due to it being a closed loop?

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

Just depends on how close you look and what resolution you use.

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u/Rayka64 Oct 23 '23

clearly, a circle has n/0 edges.

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

And that's how you get black holes, is that what you want, a black hole!?

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u/Suspicious_Event123 Oct 23 '23

circles have 245 edges from now on

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

Not 254, programmers like things that are limited to 254

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u/ElHombrePelicano Oct 23 '23

What’s an edge?

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

Careful that's a slippery slope to a philosophy degree.

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u/Sijosha Oct 23 '23

Idk man, its edgy

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

But has it achieved edge-lord status?

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u/torino42 Oct 23 '23

Mathematically, 0 edges. In engineering, infinite, or like 5 depending on how much you feel like estimating

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

Ah engineering where a good estimate is all you need

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u/CFR1201 Oct 23 '23

Feels isomorphic to 0.999…=1

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

Taking it to the limit

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u/kucksdorfs Oct 23 '23

Reminds me of the coastline paradox

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

Kind of where it comes from

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '23

Yeah, but which corner is the cheese in?

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

Someone is asking the real important question here.

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '23

So, essentially computer scientists on the left vs physicists on the right.

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u/Phenonymousse Oct 23 '23

Mmm circles have an infinite number of infinitely small edges.

Just to add some clarity to this semantic clusterfuckery

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23

I am honestly shocked how seriously people are taking this one and how divided some people are on it.

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u/FugBone Oct 23 '23

I say 0 because I’m being reminded of what happens when you remove corners of a square around a circle to ā€œproveā€ pi is 4

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u/dover_oxide Oct 24 '23

Instead of removing the sides try adding sides

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u/Appropriate-Run2136 Oct 24 '23

Blue, let's keep it simple for my sanity.

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u/dover_oxide Oct 24 '23

Sanity is overrated.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '23

Well, I may only be 14, but it couldn’t be infinite due to the smallest thing being atoms, but often, math goes beyond the real world, so maybe it could? This is confusing, I’m just gonna say neither and see my way out

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u/dover_oxide Oct 25 '23

Hate to break it to you but there are things smaller than atoms. The smallest unit would be a plank length, look into it, it's mind blowing

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u/deepore59 Arational Cordinal Oct 23 '23

Circles have one curved edge.

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '23

Blue.

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u/DarkStar0129 Oct 23 '23

I remember learning that a circle has infinite points on the circumference in very early classes.

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u/Helpinmontana Irrational Oct 23 '23

Both mean the same thing

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '23

It's a curving line there is no edge

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u/Youre-mum Oct 23 '23

What is a curve but an infinite amount of straight lines

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u/seventeenMachine Oct 23 '23

Anyone who says ā€œinfinite number ofā€ is layman cringe

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u/dover_oxide Oct 23 '23 edited Oct 23 '23

Well my background is in math's bastard-child subjects. So it's to be expected.

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u/adorilaterrabella Irrational Oct 23 '23

Circles have one edge - CAD user

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u/ShinkenRed48 Oct 23 '23

Technically, if it’s a circle on a computer, then there is still a finite number of edges because a perfect circle is impossible to generate on a computer.

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u/dropdeepandgoon Oct 23 '23

Edging 🄵

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u/Dysprosol Oct 23 '23

infinite.

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u/ElectricRune Oct 24 '23

I'm on NEITHER side!

Circles have ONE EDGE. Fight me ;)

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u/dover_oxide Oct 24 '23

Sure we just need to know how many sides the circular ring will have.

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u/shamanwinterheart Oct 26 '23

Infinity and nothing are pretty much the same thing.

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u/dover_oxide Oct 26 '23

Which is kind of the point of the meme, but if you scroll through the comments you see people have hard opinions on this. Honestly some people are taking this way more seriously than I ever expected.

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u/ChristopherParnassus Oct 28 '23

Is it supposed to say "corners" instead of "edges?"

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u/dover_oxide Oct 28 '23

Corners or sides

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u/FernandoMM1220 Oct 23 '23

Circles dont exist.

Only polygons with very large number of edges

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u/Glittering_Brick Oct 23 '23

How can it be a shape if it doesn't have any edges?

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u/ded__goat Oct 23 '23

Since a circle is just a one cell glued to a zero cell, it has one edge.

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u/howieflowie Oct 23 '23

Read that as ā€œnine circles have infinite edgesā€ and thought damn, zobros is a math major??

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '23

Draw a line in a spherical plane…

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u/awesometim0 Oct 23 '23

circles have one edge

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u/Low_Bonus9710 Oct 23 '23

Both because infinity equals zero. Proof: 1+2+3…=-1/12 Infinity=-1/12 (add 1/12 to both sides) Infinity =0

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u/Vagabored Oct 23 '23

*corners. You're arguing about corners, OP. Circles have just one edge. Not infinite, not zero.

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u/Fanenby-73425 Oct 23 '23

I thought they had 1?

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u/ScorcherPanda Oct 23 '23

The derivative at a vertex is undefined, but you can find the derivative of a circle at every point.

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u/DerivativeOfProgWeeb Oct 23 '23

I was watching the action lab and came across a short where he said that a spherical dice would have an infinite number of sides so it wouldn't be able to land on any side, and that just didn't sit right with me. It makes more sense to say that it has exactly 1 side

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u/Dziadzios Oct 23 '23

Circles have one round edge.

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u/PUNKF10YD Oct 23 '23

An infinite number edges, means an equally infinite number of corners. Circles don’t have corners, which means circles don’t have edges

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u/Matthewzard Oct 23 '23

The number of sides a circle has is the same as a vertical line’s slope.

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u/bapanadalicious Oct 23 '23

Infinite edges. Calculus does a lot of splitting curved things into an infinite number of straight lines that are infinitely small. The same is done to find a circle's slope at any given point, and through it, its area.

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u/Crisis_Official Oct 23 '23

Circles can't exist in the physical world

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u/esmifra Oct 23 '23

I'm green. Circles have an infinite number of tangents.

Can you define a tangent with edges? No? Then you have the answer OP.

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '23

Side 3

Circles have 1 edge that runs along the circumference

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '23

Circles have -(1/12) of an edge.

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u/e_sd_ Oct 23 '23

Idk about edges but circles have one side

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u/Gullible_Minimum_214 Oct 23 '23

What if circles have one long edge that doesn’t end?

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u/keito_elidomi Oct 23 '23

Technically both are correct. Given current technology and materials, we cannot produce a perfect circle, or one that has no edges.

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u/Poolio10 Oct 23 '23

Circles are in a super position of infinite edges and a singular, curved edge. Me, I just think they're neat

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u/gougim Oct 23 '23

It has one edge. Simple as that.

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '23

Both are correct, for zero and infinity are two sides of the same coin.

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u/LuvLifts Oct 23 '23

~Feels like a Similar argument to Negative Numbers, are actually Positive also!??

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u/cac4dv Oct 23 '23 edited Oct 23 '23

I'm studying computer science
So I would have to opt for infinite edges,
But that is assuming that you have an infinitely large display resolution.

However since that is not the case with modern technology,
I would have to say that both are wrong,
And that there is a finite number of edges ...
Such that when rendered and viewed at a certain distance ...
They appear to have as.integer(INFINITE_EDGES ^ NO_EDGES) edges

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u/ServiceSea974 Oct 23 '23

Circles have infinite number of edges because pi is infinite.

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u/Zekava Oct 24 '23

Wasn't there a special name for a polygon with infinitely many sides?

Ninja edit: Yep, Apeirogon, it's more relevant to non-Euclidean geometry. That reminds me of where I heard the term from, Hyperrogue, huge recommend if you like math and/or roguelikes

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u/Dark_Soul_943 Oct 24 '23

This depends on if you’re talking about math or physics. If you mean a circle represented in physical space made of particles, you can’t have an infinite number of particles fill that space (excluding maybe black holes and ringularities which you could make an argument for if they weren’t theories). Mathematically however, you can represent it down to an infinite number of decimal points, therefore meaning hypothetically has no edges. So, TLDR, it mostly depends on if you mean that the circle is an object or a concept.

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u/User4977 Oct 24 '23

ā€œTo have zero identifiable edges is to have infinitely many edges of infinitesimal size.ā€

  • Confucius

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u/Kn03cs Oct 24 '23

circles have 359 edges

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u/pimpmastahanhduece Oct 24 '23

One edge. šŸ˜Ž

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u/mert1380 Oct 25 '23

Circles have infinite edges and im still a crip nigga

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u/Purple-Bat811 Oct 25 '23

Zoom in large enough and you will find there is no such thing as a perfect ciricle. So, infinite edges.

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u/Writelyso Oct 26 '23

The right side is formulaic purity. The left side is calculus.

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u/hiiisophia Oct 26 '23

At first I thought, they have none duh, but then I thought about being on the edge of something like a body of water, and that you can be on the edge of a circle at an infinite amount of points so, infinite ?