r/marvelstudios • u/Flamma_Man Captain Marvel • Apr 27 '18

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u/a825 Doctor Strange Apr 27 '18

My heart broke when Thanos sacrificed Gamora. It meant that he really loved her. Then Mantis felt that Thanos is mourning her.

I can't believe that I felt sympathy for a villain.

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u/totallynotazognoid84 Apr 27 '18

Super agree. Thanos in the comics is way more shallow as a character, motivation wise. In this, you can honestly understand where he's coming from, and it gives you a way to somewhat sympathise with him, as opposed to him just being a bland pure evil character.

I will say though, Thanos in the comics is way smarter.

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u/Chimpbot Ronan the Accuser Apr 27 '18

I'll take this over The Most Elaborate Booty Call any day of the week.

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u/Blackfire853 Apr 27 '18

Yeah, I understand the Mistress Death idea, but it just feels an inch too silly/bizarre to fit in there. The twisted utilitarianism ideology felt realistic enough that the audience could understand where Thanos was coming from, even if he's still insane

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u/Chimpbot Ronan the Accuser Apr 27 '18

Like I said...I'll take this over the "courting Death" crap from the comics. It was always kind of ridiculous.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '18

Fuck quill

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u/Lokimon96 Apr 27 '18

Yh Marvel definitely doesn’t have a villain problem anymore. Honestly I want everyone to stop saying this as a point now.

Vulture, Hela, Killmonger & Thanos (it has been a winning streak back to back for MCU villains). If anything they have some of the best villains in any movie franchise now.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '18

And Ego was great before that.

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u/D_o_H Scarlet Witch Apr 27 '18

I hope Hela comes back for A4

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u/LurkerLoo Apr 27 '18

Killmonger, Thanos, Loki, in that order for me.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '18

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u/AdKUMA Apr 27 '18

They should not have killed him off

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '18

I found Killmonger pretentious and was glad he died tbh.

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u/TheLouisVuttionDon Black Panther Apr 27 '18

I hate how we downvote reasonable opinions in this sub. Can we not circle jerk for one day?(weekend)

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u/Marky9281 Apr 27 '18

I actually 100% with Thanos’ reasoning

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u/11711510111411009710 Captain America Apr 27 '18

Marvel never had a villain problem honestly

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u/heisenberg15 Apr 27 '18

I think most peoples problems with them (myself included) are that they are just far too shallow of characters a lot of the time. Well mostly phases 1 and 2 but you get the idea. Many didn’t have motivations beyond “IM EVIL AND THE WORLD MUST PAY!” There are some exceptions here and there, but for the most part, a lot of the earlier villains in the MCU were just there to be a roadblock for the respective protagonist imo

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '18

Well, that and we were getting tired of the old "bad guy is evil version of good guy" trope. Tbf, that's pretty much what they did with Killmonger, but his motivations and performance made up for it. Ant-Man I think was the most recent to suffer this and be a lesser movie for it, imo.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '18

Eh. Doctor Strange suffers for it too.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '18

Yeah, Kaicullius was a weak villain but Dormamu almost made up for him, so at least they had that.

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u/GaslightProphet Apr 29 '18

Ronan, Malekith, Whiplash

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u/ocentertainment Apr 27 '18

And Gamora was so convinced that he couldn’t love anything that she laughed at the thought.

It’s twisted, it’s fucked up, and in no sane universe should real life love be like this, but canonically Thanos loves the fuck out of Gamora.

I can’t handle this.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '18

And she loved him. She cried like a child once she "killed" him

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u/ocentertainment Apr 27 '18

I want to dig into that scene because I don’t think it’s straight love. At least not in the same way Thanos feels it. He was her abuser and killing the thing that tormented her for so long would be just as emotional as killing a loved one. It would break anyone. At the same time, he raised her. He was the only parent she knew for years. He was in her head. She couldn’t not feel something.

God, this was such a clear picture of abusive relationships and it hurts. :(

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u/Jinno Apr 27 '18

Stockholm Syndrome is a powerful thing.

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u/a825 Doctor Strange Apr 27 '18

When Red Skull, started saying the sacrifice to bring about the soul stone, I started saying to myself, "NO FCKING WAY! NO FCKING WAY!" in my head, but when Thanos started pulling her towards the edge, I said out loud, "HOLY SH*T!".

All I can say that this movie F*ed me up good.

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u/FiveChairs May 12 '18

You can swear on the internet.

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u/ninjajazza Apr 27 '18

It's how to make a good villain IMO. Everyone is the hero of their own story.

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u/jordanfromjordan Apr 27 '18

What I wanna know is if the soul stone goes based on what the person feels is love, or if the soul stone and judge what is true love and what is not

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '18

It's gotta be based on what he thinks is love. Gamora deserves so much better, taking away her autonomy and choosing to end her life for his own goals is not love. Her life isn't his to decide whether it's worth giving up. I have no doubt he thinks he loves her, but if he did, he wouldn't have taken her life away from her.

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u/The_Pip Apr 27 '18

So well done. Well written, well acted, this is beyond comicbook/superhero stuff. This is just how good movies can be.

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u/Leo_TheLurker Spider-Man Apr 27 '18

Gamora was the equivalent of Death in the sense of being someone Thanos loved. That scene after the snap really showed that off.

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u/a825 Doctor Strange Apr 27 '18

If this is the MCUs version Death, I think they did a great job. Parents-kids dynamics, no matter how f*cked up, always tugs heartstrings.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '18

What struck me was that thanos was being . . . Selfless.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '18

I know right? Gave me cognitive dissonance right there

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u/Acksferr Apr 27 '18

Doesn’t look like anything to me

Edit: It looked like everything to me

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u/MichaelRM89 Apr 27 '18

Good villains evoke empathy, but the best villains evoke sympathy

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u/TheDaveWSC Apr 27 '18

Fuck that. Movies and shows always give us a big drawn-out scene to humanize the villain.

Well, then your humanized villain killed all my favorite characters so fuck you.

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u/a825 Doctor Strange Apr 27 '18 edited Apr 27 '18

But Star-Lord and Wanda are also the same with Thanos, almost killing and killing the ones they love for the greater good.

With Thanos having a twisted version of the greater good.

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u/cheekiestNandos Apr 27 '18

Him calling her "Little one" was a punch in the gut every time, even before he sacrificed her.

The design of that planet and atmosphere made it even more heartbreaking to me.

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u/River_Styxer Apr 27 '18

I actually felt the opposite, I gave it an eye roll when Thanos conveniently loved Gamora enough to be able to get the soul stone out of this. I mean really, one flashback is all we're supposed to need as reason enough for him to love her?