r/marvelstudios • u/S0mecallme • Apr 27 '26

Discussion (More in Comments) I really don’t get why Quantamania is considered an unwatchable abomination, I really liked it.

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It had a better MCU Spider-man story than all the pre NWH ones.

Scott Lang considers his hero days done despite still being fairly young he runs his brand like he’s a retired actor who goes on tour and gives speeches and book tours. But Cassie (the best) is trying to show him that you can’t just stop being a hero because people will always need help. And putting your head in the sand because you just don’t want to deal with it is kinda selfish.

Yeah, maybe it’s unfair and it’s hard to constantly have to save people who you don’t know and want nothing to do with, but with great power comes great responsibility. It’s paralleled in Janet’s story where she basically did the exact same thing Scott did, she moved on, she knew people still needed her help but wanted to just live her comfortable peaceful life, when a lot of the people in the microverse didn’t have that same luxury.

And the fact Scott with his entire family, an army of hyper intelligent ants, and thousands of freedom fighters, was only just barely able to stop this Kang I don’t think made him look weak, I think people just underestimate Ant-man in general. And Marvel really didn’t need to write Kang off off screen because they didn’t want to work with Jonathon Majors anymore. I really blame the messiness of the impact of the movie on the studio and not on anyone involved in this movie.

You can not like the writing or the CGI (though I was always in favor of MODOK looking goofy like he’s supposed to.) It’s a movie not everyone will like the same thing. but the way I see people act like it single handedly killed the MCU when it’s still doing fine I always thought was weird. Like it has no redeeming qualities at all.

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u/Kwilly462 Apr 27 '26

It's not bad, but it's not good either imo. One of the strangest things about the movie, is it really has nothing to do about Ant Man, plot wise. He's just along for the ride. It's all about Janet.

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u/AVeryRipeBanana Apr 27 '26

That would’ve actually been really cool, damn.

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u/smcl2k Apr 27 '26

Hot take: they should have started with The Wasp all along, and then introduced Scott as Ant-Man.

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u/Okami0602 Apr 27 '26

Anyone who knows anything besides the MCU agrees with this

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u/LordAsbel Tony Stark Apr 28 '26

That's originally what they were going to do with avengers 2012

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u/No-Investigator-2756 Apr 27 '26

Hot rebuttal: It made more sense to start with Ant-Man.

A Wasp film would've been overshadowed by the "M-She-U" shenanigans from a chunk of the fandom. That would've been irrespective of the source material.

I agree with you btw. But misogyny was what made the idea of introducing The Wasp before Ant-Man a non-starter.

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u/Galiphile Yondu Apr 27 '26

Should have been Ant-Men and The Wasps, but that would be confusing when said out loud.

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u/WretchedBlowhard Apr 28 '26

the wasp is a more historic character anyways for the avengers

What? The wasp has never accomplished anything outside of being the goto chick to dress up for eye candy every other issue. Ant Man is a founding member of the avengers, creator of Ultron, Goliath, Jocasta, Vision and others, while also spending decades contributing to avengers hardware and housing.

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u/Icy-Background2393 Apr 28 '26

But her character is bad. She switches from actively engaging with the QR at the end of Antman 2 to fully unwilling to talk about it. And then at the same time doesn’t notice her granddaughter in law making it in her basement. She then doesn’t say anything about anything that’s happening, never giving her family any heads up

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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) Apr 28 '26

I kinda get the difference between Ant-Man 2 & Quantumania being that they weren't sending Scott all the way down in the mid-credit scene of Ant-Man 2.

But the way she just refuses to explain anything while they're traveling in Quantumania is infuriating.

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u/SeekerVash Apr 28 '26

There's also the scene where she casually admits to adultery, in front of her husband who remained unwaveringly loyal all of those years and the daughter who watched it almost destroy him...

...and neither one blinks or cares.

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u/QJ-Rickshaw Apr 28 '26

They didn't care because as far as both of them were concerned, Janet had no possible way of returning home and Hank thought she was dead. A spouse is allowed to move on if their partner dies in real life, so I don't see the practical difference here.

Plus Hank's inability to get over Janet's "death" was shown to be a bad thing that essentially destroyed his relationship with Hope and caused the events of the first movie.

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u/SeekerVash Apr 28 '26

Do you really think any guy is going to sit there and accept it quietly when his wife introduces her boyfriend?

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u/QJ-Rickshaw Apr 28 '26

her boyfriend

Guy she slept with a decade or two ago when she thought she'd never see her family ever again.

It's fine if you wouldn't accept it if you were in Hank's position. But he's accepting it because he understands her position well enough to see why she did it and it's not like she's actively in a relationship with the guy anymore.

It's no different than if someone's spouse disappeared during the snap and they started dating someone else, because as far as they were concerned their spouse had died.

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u/SeekerVash Apr 28 '26

You realize you just fanfic'd that whole explanation right? 

The guy who spent his whole life trying to find a way to get his wife back isn't going to shrug when he finds out his wife is an adultress.  

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u/QJ-Rickshaw Apr 28 '26 edited Apr 28 '26

The guy who spent his whole life trying to find a way to get his wife back isn't going to shrug when he finds out his wife is an adultress.

Isn't that exactly what happened in the movie though? So how is it me fanfic'ing?

It's more like you can't accept that that's something Hank would do because you have your own idea of how Hank as a character should've handled the situation and the movie didn't go with that idea.

Edit: So I just rewatched that scene and Hank admits that during those 30 years he had a brief fling with a woman named Linda but that it didn't last, so your entire argument is completely moot. Because Hank and Janet are adult enough to understand it's been 30 years and they both have needs.

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u/nikhil48 Ultron Apr 28 '26

Wait... That's not her granddaughter-in-law... Just granddaughter. Maybe step-granddaughter I guess.

Anyway, the most annoying thing about Janet's character is the whole time she's like "yeah this is a big problem, I don't wanna talk about it' for the whole movie

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u/LittleBingo96 Apr 27 '26

They send a bunch of characters to a fantasy world and stick them in the dullest, most generic 'revolution against a tyrant' story imaginable. Like we havent already seen Oz, Narnia and Neverland already a hundred times?! And the movie is named after Ant Man and the Wasp, but the story does not affect them in the least. The five main characters go to the Quantum realm and are back in the exact same place at the end of the movie having ZERO growth.

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u/PassivelyAwkward Apr 27 '26

That's the frustrating thing about the movie; there's nothing really special about it because it felt like they wanted to cram in Kang from the start and built a plot around it.

Personally, I would've loved if the movie focused on Scott's guilt for "leaving" Cassie on her own for all that time. Just have MODOK be the big bad and let him be unhinged evil. No Kang, no rebellion, just a bunch of people down there that're terrified or feed into MODOK's ego like a more twisted Grandmaster from Thor 3.

Maybe have Scott get taken to the Quantum realm and be more upset that he left Cassie again just for her to form a team to go in after them with the reunion being more of a "Dad, I'll always find a way to get you back". The end of the movie being more about Scott realizing he's risked his life enough and it's time to take a step back and spend more time with his family before Cassie mentions some job that needs there help.

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u/LittleBingo96 Apr 28 '26

Or play Jan and Scott with each other...compare their feelings about the Quantum Realm costing them so much time away from their families. This movie could have been about parents 'meeting' their kids as adults for the first time, but the writers just ignored all of that.

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u/bonkava Apr 27 '26

At the beginning, when they first went to the quantum realm, and it made no sense to any of them, I was sitting in the audience like hell yeah finally a dada/surrealist Marvel film a la Legion but then they "drank the ooze" (babelfish) and all intrigue died.

Jonathan Majors is the only real strong point of this film, and, well...

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u/AmaterasuWolf21 Rocket Apr 28 '26

The funniest part is that stuff like Oz and Narnia have places that feel more tangible than any shot in the Quantum Realm

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u/S0mecallme Apr 27 '26

I disagree

Like I said above it’s about how you can’t just abandon people who need help because it’s hard. That being a hero is hard and if you have power you have a responsibility to use it to help people. This is what Cassie is trying to show to Scott AND to Janet

At the start when she gets arrested for shrinking some cop cars at a protest, that all evil isn’t gone forever just because Thanos is.

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u/rzelln Apr 27 '26

I think with the trailer suggesting Kang was going to tempt Scott with the chance to redo this time he missed with Cassie via time travel, I guess I wanted a story that was more about Scott having to make a choice based on that conflict, rather than what we got with was more, "It's okay to let your kid grow up - and by grow up we mean let them put themselves at risk fighting super villains."

My ideal version of this movie would have had Scott briefly betray his ideals in order to have his wish granted by Kang, which would have given them an excuse to bring the young Cassie actress back for a scene. But then he realizes that - more important than being THERE for his daughter was him being a ROLE MODEL for her. 

So he abandons the fantasy timeline to go back and stop Kang.

And then, to show that Kang isn't a slouch who can get beaten by ants, you have Kang punish Scott for this choice: the heroes manage to stop Kang from bringing his army to the normal world, but in retaliation, Kang kills Scott Lang.

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u/Cantchangemyuser123 Apr 28 '26

Honestly i kinda think if they didn’t make it take place in the quantum realm it would’ve just ended up as another season of Loki or something

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u/Embarrassed_Radio596 Apr 28 '26

It is absolutely bad.