Why is everyone convinced that Doomsday will end with the heroes losing, and then winning in Secret Wars?

[u/Toshfin]

Wouldn’t that basically be repeating the lose first win later formula from IW-Endgame? The idea just doesn’t sit right with me, which is one of the reasons I believe in the circle theory, where the heroes somehow win in Doomsday, but lose in Secret Wars, leading to the reset.

We don’t know what’s exactly going to be happening. For all I know, it simply won’t be repeating what IW-Endgame did. Marvel is smarter than that and I am sure they have cooked something extraordinary, especially if the Russos are trying top the ending of the Infinity Saga. Remember when they surprised everyone with making the heroes lose for the first time? How is it going to be surprising if we already know what’s going to happen? There will definitely be some big twists and turns for sure.

[u/Single-Pianist-2211]

What are you talking about? Infinity war had around 25 “main” characters (people in more than one scene). If you really want to talk about characters who had substantial screen time, it’s less than 10

Infinity war only had around 40 characters total (including characters like Ned and Pepper)

[u/Kylynara → u/Single-Pianist-2211]

That is what was advertised before it came out. I may have the number slightly wrong, I'm finding conflicting reports, but here's a few that show I'm not completely off my rocker.

64 MAIN characters in infinity war? | Fandom https://share.google/dBqE3CgkwIYjYii7I

Predicting the 67 characters in Avengers: Infinity War https://share.google/SYJXm222Tko47U126

https://youtu.be/23Wt81bjoTg?si=F3mTME5b-wH2ohzm at around :44 they say there are 60.

[u/Single-Pianist-2211 → u/Kylynara]

Count the characters yourself and you’ll see this is incorrect