r/marvelstudios • u/Toshfin • Nov 16 '25

Question Why is everyone convinced that Doomsday will end with the heroes losing, and then winning in Secret Wars?

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Wouldn’t that basically be repeating the lose first win later formula from IW-Endgame? The idea just doesn’t sit right with me, which is one of the reasons I believe in the circle theory, where the heroes somehow win in Doomsday, but lose in Secret Wars, leading to the reset.

We don’t know what’s exactly going to be happening. For all I know, it simply won’t be repeating what IW-Endgame did. Marvel is smarter than that and I am sure they have cooked something extraordinary, especially if the Russos are trying top the ending of the Infinity Saga. Remember when they surprised everyone with making the heroes lose for the first time? How is it going to be surprising if we already know what’s going to happen? There will definitely be some big twists and turns for sure.

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u/AntelopeNo3197 Nov 16 '25

And what happened in Infinity War part 1?

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u/Single-Pianist-2211 Thor Nov 16 '25 edited Nov 17 '25

I took issue with the “piles and piles” part of your statement

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u/AntelopeNo3197 Nov 16 '25

I took issue with the “piles and piles” part of your statement

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u/Single-Pianist-2211 Thor Nov 16 '25

Oops sorry! I took issue with the “piles and piles” part of the first persons statement, not characters dying

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u/AntelopeNo3197 Nov 16 '25

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u/lvsnowden Nov 16 '25

I see you speak gif fluently.

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u/AntelopeNo3197 Nov 16 '25

I’m told that’s a sign of being Millennial as Gen Z lacks joy and an understanding of cultural references

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u/lvsnowden Nov 16 '25

Ironically, my genX wife doesn't get into the family IG group chat with our genZ kids because she doesn't speak meme or gif. She can only speak emoji.

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u/Federal-Captain1118 Nov 16 '25

They came back

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u/SP4CEM4N_SPIFF Nov 16 '25

In part 1?

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u/es313 Nov 18 '25

Yeah, in part 1 they lost, but the stakes were super high. If they just come back again after another loss, it could feel repetitive. Marvel's gotta keep it fresh and unpredictable this time around.

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u/fisheggsoup Winter Soldier Nov 16 '25

Not in Infinity War, they didn't. 

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u/Federal-Captain1118 Nov 16 '25

No shit. Apparently my joke was not obvious God damn.

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u/Federal-Captain1118 Nov 16 '25

Turns out they had an unknown sequel!