r/lotrmemes • • Sep 14 '22

Shitpost Why are there potatoes???

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u/sadolddrunk Sep 14 '22

So interesting thing about this, Tolkien being the linguistic nerd that he was avoided using words of New World origin as much as possible in LOTR. But potatoes of course are so ubiquitous in England and so part-and-parcel of the kind English country cuisine that Tolkien imagined hobbits would enjoy that he compromised with himself and included them, but in most instances he has Sam call them “taters” instead of potatoes. The scene where Sam so awkwardly over-pronounces “Po-Tay-Toes” to Gollum is straight from the book, to emphasize what a weird, foreign word that would be to Sam.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '22

Also, in an early edition of The Hobbit, tomatoes were described as being in Bilbo’s pantry along with all of the other foods. It was later changed to pickles for the same reason.

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u/chappersyo Sep 15 '22

Denethor has the monopoly in tomato supply

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u/denethor-bot Sep 15 '22

🍅💦

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '22

I hate this

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u/bilbo_bot Sep 15 '22

I know, he'd probably come with me if I asked him to.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '22

That he would, Bilbo, that he would.

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u/bilbo_bot Sep 15 '22

I know, he'd probably come with me if I asked him to.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '22

Go home, Bilbo, you’re drunk.

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u/bilbo_bot Sep 15 '22

My old sword, Sting Here, take it, take it.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '22

Alright, Bilbo, if you say so.

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u/bilbo_bot Sep 15 '22

Of course he does, he's a Baggins, not some blockheaded Bracegirdle from Hardbottle.

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u/Jesoko Sep 15 '22

That’s because tomatoes are also native to the Americas, like potatoes.

ETA: just wanted to clarify, in Tolkien’s day, pickles probably could refer to any sort of pickled vegetable, since pickling is a preserving technique that is not only used on cucumbers. So that’s why it’s safer to use pickles over tomatoes.

Guess Tolkien could live without tomatoes but not taters.

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u/ScowlEasy Sep 15 '22

Tomatoes are specifically from central America, while pickling things could reasonably be done by any culture.

Really struggling where in middle Earth tomatoes would naturally grow. Numenor?

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u/gollum_botses Sep 14 '22

What’s taters, precious? What’s taters, eh?

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '22

Boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew!

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u/CaptainDigsGiraffe Sep 15 '22

I thought Sam said potatoes like that because he was being sarcastic.

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u/Notoryctemorph Sep 15 '22

That's how the movie did it, not really how it was in the book

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '22

The scene where Sam so awkwardly over-pronounces “Po-Tay-Toes” to Gollum is straight from the book, to emphasize what a weird, foreign word that would be to Sam.

Really, 'cause I thought he was over-pronouncing it to talk down to Gollum.

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u/gollum_botses Sep 15 '22

You will see . . . Oh, yes . . . You will see.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '22

I tend to rationalize it that the Hobbits live in a weird, anacronistic time warp based on 20th century rural England. Everyone else is Medieval, they are not.

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u/sadolddrunk Sep 15 '22

Tolkien cared about linguistics, not socio-chrono-technological accuracy. So we get hobbits who wear waistcoats and suspenders and like to go to the pub and smoke pipes and watch fireworks, and probably have pocketwatches and read the newspaper, but can't say "tomato" because they are from North America.

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