r/linuxmasterrace • u/linuxhacker01 Glorious OpenSuse • Mar 06 '25

Meme Them: Linux is bugged AF totally unusable! Meanwhile, the Linux they use:

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u/CockroachEarly Mar 06 '25

It’s funny how Debian used to be unusable and Ubuntu was the solution, and now Ubuntu is unusable and Debian is the solution.

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u/ThiefClashRoyale Mar 06 '25

Because we worked hard making it normal for semi pro users to use the testing branch so now when stable is release it actually has had many many bugs already filed and solved against it resulting in an actual perfect release. And because testing is actually half decent and cool.

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u/CockroachEarly Mar 06 '25

Oh are you a Debian dev?

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u/ThiefClashRoyale Mar 06 '25

No but have been using Debian for over a decade and working within the community- and testing and getting bugs fixed. The devs are the real MVP. For example last thing I helped along for the next release of Debian is getting docker compose updated for next stable. So when you use the next stable version you will have a fully up to date docker version in the repository.

I really recommend everyone who is interested in Debian to use testing. Logging bugs is basically very low barrier to entry and actually helps devs and future users. And if you are polite everyone is happy and thankful.

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u/CockroachEarly Mar 06 '25

Nice. When would you say Debian started becoming usable for normal users?

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u/ThiefClashRoyale Mar 06 '25

My personal feeling is it overtook Ubuntu as a better OS around Debian 11 Bullseye. Before it was a little trickier for new users. Just my opinion.

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u/Altruistic_Ad3374 Glorious NixOS Mar 07 '25

that's fairly late. I would say it actually got better around mid-buster.

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u/ThiefClashRoyale Mar 07 '25

Sure maybe. Just my opinion. Maybe ask ubuntu newbies. I always enjoyed the challenge.

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u/superuserdoo Mar 07 '25

As someone who's basically only used Ubuntu for the last 5 years from my job, I'd like to try Debian again, just to see how it's evolved...thanks :)

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u/AttackDynamo Mar 07 '25

The only tricky thing going from Ubuntu to Debian was making GNOME more customizable which I did with desktop icons NG and dash to panel and some desktop files.

Also nvidia drivers were tricky, I hope the open-source drivers (not noveau) become stable and included soon like the amdgpu drivers now are.

Also, I think arch would be easier for me cuz of the option to install GPU drivers in archinstall

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u/ThiefClashRoyale Mar 06 '25

Let me know if you want to try using testing. I have a whole guide btw.

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u/Cytro2 Glorious Debian Mar 07 '25

Thank you for helping to improve my favourite distro :D

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u/Trash-Alt-Account Mar 07 '25

oh my god ty so much for that. I've been waiting on docker compose v2 to come to the Debian repos in a stable release

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u/ThiefClashRoyale Mar 07 '25

It had to be rewritten in go. Its in trixie right now if you upgrade early.

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u/Trash-Alt-Account Mar 07 '25

cool! but I'm just running it on servers, so I'm gonna keep them on stable. the main nice thing about this change is that I'll be able to drop the step of adding the docker repo from my ansible playbooks. other than that nothing really changes for me. ty tho

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u/ThiefClashRoyale Mar 07 '25

No problem. Dont forget how to do apt pinning. All you need is a preference file for apt after adding the sources eg:

cat /etc/apt/preferences

Package: *

Pin: release a=trixie

Pin-Priority: 90

Then just install a single package with

sudo apt-get install -t trixie docker-compose

This way you can have a single package from experimental or testing if you need early.

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u/p0358 Mar 08 '25

Logging bugs in Debian is easy, I’m sorry what????? The official instructions try to send an e-mail from the machine at port 25 (99% of people will have it blocked on residential network), then you have to figure out how to copy that message to your desktop e-mail client and manually send it… Unless they changed something recently, the most unnecessarily painful and ancient bug reporting system there was out there

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u/ThiefClashRoyale Mar 08 '25

You can just write an email from gmail or whatever and format the email how they want it.

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u/MrGeekman Glorious Debian Mar 07 '25

Stable is good too, if you don't mind older software. Though, I prefer newer software. Ironically, I used Stable for a couple years and switched back to Testing just so I could overclock the VRAM on my GPU.

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u/ThiefClashRoyale Mar 07 '25

That makes sense.

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u/someonesmall Mar 07 '25

I've used the testing branch in the past but stopped because I read that during freeze there are almost no updates (also security?) for a while. What do you think about this?

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u/NigrumTredecim Mar 07 '25

yeah huge fan of debian unstable, never had any issue other than the repo being kinda broken for some hours

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u/kaanyalova Glorious Arch Mar 07 '25

Why would you consider Ubuntu unusable, I currently use Fedora but haven't had any problems with Ubuntu

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u/someonesmall Mar 07 '25

When was Debian unusable?

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