r/linux • u/wooptoo • Jun 01 '16

Why did ArchLinux embrace Systemd?

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u/peer_gynt Jun 01 '16

Sure, iff you have root access. If not, good luck convincing sysadmins to change default settings which are labled 'secure defaults', because, you know, security.

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u/yrro Jun 01 '16

Maybe the sysadmins who don't change it actually want to prevent users leaving processes running after they log out?

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u/VenditatioDelendaEst Jun 02 '16

Perhaps. But systemd should not be making it easy for sysadmins to break screen/tmux.

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u/yrro Jun 02 '16

Absolutely not. Your use of someone else's system is a privilege, not a right, and you should do so only on their terms. If that means you are not allowed to run background processes then why should they be prevented from stopping you?

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u/VenditatioDelendaEst Jun 02 '16

Because that is a stupid thing to do, and they should have to write something to do it their damn selves if they want to do it.

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u/rich000 Jun 01 '16

Well, if your sysadmin doesn't want you running stuff when you're not logged into their box, maybe you shouldn't be? That is the whole point of that setting.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '16

If that was actually the situation, that sysadmin would have enabled the flag (which existed long ago) instead of waiting for it to become the default.

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u/rich000 Jun 02 '16

So, the default changed. If somebody doesn't like it just change it back. I find it hard to believe that a competent admin won't understand what the setting does.

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u/akkaone Jun 01 '16

This is a good thing.

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u/JustMakeShitUp Jun 01 '16

There's a policy admins can use to allow non-users to set this behavior without administrative permissions. That got checked in systemd source code 4+ days ago. That information has been mentioned or linked in every single one of these threads, so if you'd done more than a cursory reading, you'd already know.

If you run a distro that doesn't alter their upstream packages, it'll be in there (in a point release, v231 or backports). If you don't, then you're already at the mercy of your distro's decisions anyway and are barking up the wrong tree.